So are we *ever* getting the planned list of Class/Ability changes?

[Sheth]

You know they did say no matter what even if no one paid they would keep moving on and release v2.0 right?

The cat is bemused =-.-=

even if they did, it wouldn't survive.
People playing now are so into the franchise they are playing because they want SE to succeed.(not because they are having the time of their lives), without the people on now SE will be gambling. Businesses do not like that.

Where is the link that says they will still go on even with 0 people playing?

The cat is being silly

[irongripz]

You know they did say no matter what even if no one paid they would keep moving on and release v2.0 right?

The cat is bemused =-.-=

but yet the NEED to charge subs, for 2.0. its funny how this info gets ignored when most people argue this point.

[goonMagi]

Then don't pay and wait till you do feel like it is or could be.

This is obviously the option we are all going to be given. However, you spitefully pointing it out doesn't make it any less of a disappointment for me. I want to play FF online, and I would like it to be good. If I find the game not worth paying, not only will I have already sunk a cost of time and actual money to buy the initial game, I will have lost out on something I was expecting to enjoy.

Also, I would like to say that the option to quit devolves the game for players who decide not to quit. So why would you so begrudgingly hint that I should leave? I think we are all hoping XIV will be worth our money; I don't want free to play crappy content forever, so why don't you stop trolling?

[Murugan]

even if they did, it wouldn't survive.
People playing now are so into the franchise they are playing because they want SE to succeed.(not because they are having the time of their lives), without the people on now SE will be gambling. Businesses do not like that.

Where is the link that says they will still go on even with 0 people playing?

The cat is being silly

Is that really why you are playing? That is pretty ridiculous, Square Enix is a big boy of a company. I'm pretty sure it doesn't need you playing its games purely out of concern for it.

[NadienKirisame]

This is obviously the option we are all going to be given. However, you spitefully pointing it out doesn't make it any less of a disappointment for me. I want to play FF online, and I would like it to be good. If I find the game not worth paying, not only will I have already sunk a cost of time and actual money to buy the initial game, I will have lost out on something I was expecting to enjoy.

Also, I would like to say that the option to quit devolves the game for players who decide not to quit. So why would you so begrudgingly hint that I should leave? I think we are all hoping XIV will be worth our money; I don't want free to play crappy content forever, so why don't you stop trolling?

Oh I am trolling? No no dear sir I do not troll and I never told you to leave. All I did was state that it was said the billing will start sometime after 1.20 and after playing 1.20 if you still felt that the game is not fun to play then you do not need to pay but then you can not play either but then if the game is not fun I don't see why you would want to play at the time and not wait till the next patch 1.21 and see if it is better and then possibly pay then? I never say pay or leave... please read what I said. I do not wish for anyone to leave if they like the game and I do wish for them game to get to where many of you can enjoy it and have no problems with paying for it, but it still comes to the fact they will start subs up sometime after 1.20.

Right now I like the game and I am having fun with my LS and the people I have met in the game so I will pay and I will stay and have fun with those people.

The cat is bemused =-.-=

[NadienKirisame]

but yet the NEED to charge subs, for 2.0. its funny how this info gets ignored when most people argue this point.

No what is ignored is the fact that they do not need your sub to pay for 2.0 and the fact that even if they got subs from all the people currently playing it still probably would not be enough to cover full development of the new severs/server structure and game of 2.0. What your sub will pay for really is current server upkeep (until the 2.0 servers are ready and take over which is later in 2012) and for the GM/community reps and such... If you believe there are enough of you humans playing right now to cover all that and the building of the new engine, new servers/structure, and game plus the old servers and new 7th umbral era content plus GMs/community reps and other such stuff... well then I would like to see the numbers you have for current players because I have read a lot of threads on different sites on people wondering how many people are actually playing and the theory numbers are kind of low to think they would pay for all mentioned stuff even at full sub price...

The cat is bemused =-.-=

[NadienKirisame]

even if they did, it wouldn't survive.
People playing now are so into the franchise they are playing because they want SE to succeed.(not because they are having the time of their lives), without the people on now SE will be gambling. Businesses do not like that.

Where is the link that says they will still go on even with 0 people playing?

The cat is being silly

At most no one pays they shut these servers down get everything ready for 2.0 and see how many come back and hope it works. I'm I silly sure the cat is almost always thought of as silly... but who knows its the simple fact that if everyone currently playing payed a sub fee they would not be making enough for current stuff plus the 2.0 stuff along with the GM/community reps and such people. So if you look at it that way they really don't need your money to get to 2.0 they need it for the here and now stuff.

Also still looking for the post I saw with something like this in... I'm pretty sure it was one of the many many interviews I read over the last month but who knows it may have never really been said and it could have been just something I took out of all those questions about starting up the billing.

The cat is silly bemused =*.*=

[Jennestia]

Current game development costs are around $57-80m+ for new non-indie projects, trust me, subs alone won't cover any development costs, maybe it'll pay for some of their lunches, but it'll take quite a few years time to even break even, let alone pay for it. The subs now are for the continued operation of XIV, they're even offering a discounted prices (pending) which alone should tell you it's not "to pay for 2.0".

It's to develop content (i.e patch 1.20+) and even then, making some money with your project is better than making almost zero, especially given that a lot of stores aren't restocking XIV yet in some areas.

[Sephrick]

I'm amazed at the entitled attitude of so many of the players. Do any of you actually work for a business, do you understand how these things work? To demand, and say that something is, "unacceptable?" when you haven't paid so much as a penny!

I have worked for and managed a few different types of businesses. Here is a newsflash: The customer isn't always right, and believing such is an asinine point of view. Sometimes a customer has no viable right to information, sometimes they wouldn't know what to do with it, sometimes a company simply isn't ready to give it.

Do you think Tempur-Pedic is ever going to tell you what's in that foam? Do you think you will ever know what special sauce McDonald's uses or Coca-Cola is? Do you think Apple is going to divulge info on the iPhone 5 or 6 or whatever they are up to before they are ready to divulge? How about Hollywood? They going to divulge script info or endings?

Are you ready for that info? No. Unacceptable is this imbecilic attitude that you are owed something, heck, anything. Even when a paying customer, do you know what they owe you? Jack, they don't have to give you anything.

Incidentally, as far as the, "customer is always right," in a business that sells an environment or an experience there is a largely unknown formula. Its called addition by subtraction. Basically, businesses that sell these events or environs know that there are some customers that are so undesirable, or unpleasant, or that simply make doing the job so untenable that not having them is actually better for business than having them would be. Maybe people need to learn to be better customers, and quit making meaningless demands.

Here's a news flash: They put out a faulty product, admitted as such and said they're going to work to regain our trust. Failing time and again to meet their own deadlines does not instil trust. Quite the opposite.

It is not an "entitled attitude" to expect them to follow through on their promises.

[Sephrick]

I don't understand why you humans keep bringing this up as if someone is pulling the money from you and you can not stop them.

I don't understand why you're referring to people as "you humans."