So are we *ever* getting the planned list of Class/Ability changes?

[Jennestia]

Has it been confirmed that 1.20 will begin pay to play services? I was under the impression that 1.20 would come out, as well as some jobs, before pay to play which would have been closer to march 2012. Maybe I read the road map incorrectly..

please confirm/deny

It's been confirmed we'll be paying for subs after experiencing 1.20 for ourselves to see if we feel the game is worth even a sub fee of any nature.

[Sheth]

I'm amazed at the entitled attitude of so many of the players. Do any of you actually work for a business, do you understand how these things work? To demand, and say that something is, "unacceptable?" when you haven't paid so much as a penny!

I have worked for and managed a few different types of businesses. Here is a newsflash: The customer isn't always right, and believing such is an asinine point of view. Sometimes a customer has no viable right to information, sometimes they wouldn't know what to do with it, sometimes a company simply isn't ready to give it.

Do you think Tempur-Pedic is ever going to tell you what's in that foam? Do you think you will ever know what special sauce McDonald's uses or Coca-Cola is? Do you think Apple is going to divulge info on the iPhone 5 or 6 or whatever they are up to before they are ready to divulge? How about Hollywood? They going to divulge script info or endings?

Are you ready for that info? No. Unacceptable is this imbecilic attitude that you are owed something, heck, anything. Even when a paying customer, do you know what they owe you? Jack, they don't have to give you anything.

Incidentally, as far as the, "customer is always right," in a business that sells an environment or an experience there is a largely unknown formula. Its called addition by subtraction. Basically, businesses that sell these events or environs know that there are some customers that are so undesirable, or unpleasant, or that simply make doing the job so untenable that not having them is actually better for business than having them would be. Maybe people need to learn to be better customers, and quit making meaningless demands.

a penny? Neither Tanak nor Wada nor Yoshida gave me my collector's copy for free. Which turned out to be a piece of ****.
They are not meaningless demand I guess everyone gets it even those who don't speak English (including SE) and their board and their shareholder but those die hard fan boys still don't.

THE GAME WITHOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON NOW WILL NEVER SURVIVE

[captainpicard]

I think they want to use the new job content as the proverbial carrot on the stick to try and get people to pay. That is why pay to play starts prior to new job system.

Pretty disheartening. Doesn't give me a lot of hope.

[NadienKirisame]

a penny? Neither Tanak nor Wada nor Yoshida gave me my collector's copy for free. Which turned out to be a piece of ****.
They are not meaningless demand I guess everyone gets it even those who don't speak English (including SE) and their board and their shareholder but those die hard fan boys still don't.

THE GAME WITHOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON NOW WILL NEVER SURVIVE

You know they did say no matter what even if no one paid they would keep moving on and release v2.0 right?

The cat is bemused =-.-=

[goonMagi]

words

Thanks. It's too bad, I feel like the game is miles away from being worth a monthly fee.

[Ronik]

I'm amazed at the entitled attitude of so many of the players. Do any of you actually work for a business, do you understand how these things work? To demand, and say that something is, "unacceptable?" when you haven't paid so much as a penny!

I have worked for and managed a few different types of businesses. Here is a newsflash: The customer isn't always right, and believing such is an asinine point of view. Sometimes a customer has no viable right to information, sometimes they wouldn't know what to do with it, sometimes a company simply isn't ready to give it.

Do you think Tempur-Pedic is ever going to tell you what's in that foam? Do you think you will ever know what special sauce McDonald's uses or Coca-Cola is? Do you think Apple is going to divulge info on the iPhone 5 or 6 or whatever they are up to before they are ready to divulge? How about Hollywood? They going to divulge script info or endings?

Are you ready for that info? No. Unacceptable is this imbecilic attitude that you are owed something, heck, anything. Even when a paying customer, do you know what they owe you? Jack, they don't have to give you anything.

Incidentally, as far as the, "customer is always right," in a business that sells an environment or an experience there is a largely unknown formula. Its called addition by subtraction. Basically, businesses that sell these events or environs know that there are some customers that are so undesirable, or unpleasant, or that simply make doing the job so untenable that not having them is actually better for business than having them would be. Maybe people need to learn to be better customers, and quit making meaningless demands.

Oh yes, you're completely right - devs are Gods who should never be questioned, I mean, look at the perfection that was FFXIV at launch! It's not like us silly customers could have said anything which would've improved that utter masterpiece! Us customers should've just sat here and paid $15 a month starting at launch because we have no right to call out service for being sub-par or a product for being broken. We certainly have no right to expect information (which was promised to us over a month ago) to be given in a timely manner! No sir-ee, we should just hand over our money to Square like good sheep because they deserve a pat on the back for the amazing product we have in our hands right now!

Imbecilic indeed. How about you think before you post next time?

[NadienKirisame]

I think they want to use the new job content as the proverbial carrot on the stick to try and get people to pay. That is why pay to play starts prior to new job system.

Pretty disheartening. Doesn't give me a lot of hope.

Why they have said if you don't want to pay for 1.20 then don't... if you want to come back for 1.21 then you can and if you still don't like it then don't pay and wait... they are not holding anything out in front of you. If anything you are doing that to yourself really... but then you humans do that to yourselves all the time really...

The cat is bemused =-.-=

[NadienKirisame]

Thanks. It's too bad, I feel like the game is miles away from being worth a monthly fee.

Then don't pay and wait till you do feel like it is or could be. No one is holding a gun to your head and making you pay to play... I don't understand why you humans keep bringing this up as if someone is pulling the money from you and you can not stop them.

The cat is bemused =-.-=

[OMEGA_HACK]

Do you think Tempur-Pedic is ever going to tell you what's in that foam? Do you think you will ever know what special sauce McDonald's uses or Coca-Cola is? Do you think Apple is going to divulge info on the iPhone 5 or 6 or whatever they are up to before they are ready to divulge? How about Hollywood? They going to divulge script info or endings?

Mac Sauce
1/4 cup salad dressing (like Miracle Whip®)
1/4 cup mayonnaise
3 tbsp French salad dressing
1/2 tbsp sweet pickle relish
1 1/2 tbsp dill pickle relish
1 tsp sugar
1 tsp dried, minced onion
1 tsp white vinegar
1 tsp ketchup
1/8 tsp salt
Yields 1 cup or 8 burgers

Coca-cola
Ingredients:
1 oz (28 g) caffeine citrate
3 oz (85 g) citric acid
1 US fl oz (30 ml) vanilla extract
1 US qt (946 ml; 33 imp fl oz) lime juice
2.5 oz (71 g) "flavoring," i.e., "Merchandise 7X"
30 lb (14 kg) sugar
4 US fl oz (118.3 ml) powder extract of cocaine (decocainized flavor essence of the coca leaf).
2.5 US gal (9.5 l; 2.1 imp gal) water
caramel sufficient
"Mix caffeine acid and lime juice in 1 quart boiling water add vanilla and flavoring when cool."
Flavoring (Merchandise 7X):
80 oil orange
40 oil cinnamon
120 oil lemon
20 oil coriander
40 oil nutmeg
40 oil neroli
"Let stand 24 hours."

Those aren't secrets. talking about iphones and technology in general most of the time the information isn't released because there are no hard specs yet, most everything, once the specs are finalized will be available at that time for anyone to read. You can easily get scripts from the internet and various sources for films, although who ever is giving out the information means they are breaking contract with their producers/film company/directors, but it is out there.

Also Roland, you speak of things that you have not purchased yet. I don't have a subscription to McDonalds stating that I can get a Big Mac once a day for the price of 12.99 a month. I am not being forced to purchase the iphone prior to its release wherein ALL the information of the device has been posted/recorded for the masses to see.

The difference we have here is that S-E wants to begin charging us @1.20, without clear knowledge on what they are planning on doing to the game, this is an investment for some people (look at the devote Everquest players that still play that game) people don't want to have to waste a year of their life on a game that could potentially and radically alter their view on said game because prior to that 2.0 they were enjoying it.

Hell, I am a little skeptical on the 15 abilities/?spells? (see I assume it means spells since they didn't clarify this) and 11 traits for each job only. I don't know how that would work because I know nothing of what is staying and what is leaving.

As for the customer isn't always right, I agree 100%, but the point is this is a MMO, something that people invest years of their life into to play, and they just want to make sure it stays fun or to just stop now. We only ask for CLEAR information. (Or at least I am)

[irongripz]

I'm amazed at the entitled attitude of so many of the players.
Maybe people need to learn to be better customers, and quit making meaningless demands.

i bought this game that entitles me to complain anytime i want
maybe people need to stfu. learn to be a better puppet, and quit making meaningless post.