The Feast: It's rewards from the past and going forward.

[Velthice]

No.

If you want to take away my exclusive items I worked hard (And even stressed) for, then let me get legacy items. I want the tattoo and the mounts. Perhaps some other 1.0 items.

If you want to remove exclusivity, remove it all. If you want to claim legacy is different, it's not. PvP wasn't that great at the start, but we stuck with it and supported it. Some of us (like myself) only subbed to play PvP. It got a whole revamp now, so the same argument for legacy can be made that it's a different game mode now, and not the same as it was.

But people will so vehemently defend keeping legacy exclusive, but shout to remove pvp ranking rewards, which was a measure of skill, dedication, and work.

Before someone writes a long post as to why you think legacy is different, don't bother, it's not going to convince me that it's any different than season rewards.

Okay, I'm a legacy player and this wouldn't bother me at all.

Here's my honest perspective on the situation. Other people having the same stuff as me doesn't lessen the personal value of the items that I have. My memory isn't wiped, so I remember the experience I had getting those items. That's the things that's valuable to me, the memories. I can reminisce about playing 1.0. I even have old coil weapons and armors tucked away in my retainer inventories, and they're trivial to attain now, heck there are better dyeable versions of them, but I'll always remember the experience of obtaining them. Seeing other people with them doesn't bother me at all.

I guess I just don't really understand people getting attached to the actual items themselves, that's just bizarre to me.

[Krotoan]

Okay, I'm a legacy player and this wouldn't bother me at all.

Here's my honest perspective on the situation. Other people having the same stuff as me doesn't lessen the personal value of the items that I have. My memory isn't wiped, so I remember the experience I had getting those items. That's the things that's valuable to me, the memories. ... Seeing other people with them doesn't bother me at all.

I guess I just don't really understand people getting attached to the actual items themselves, that's just bizarre to me.

I understand them. People like to feel special and different. The only real way to do that in a game like this is to have an item others cannot attain or that is very difficult to attain. Everyone else can make a character with the same stats/face/colors as you but if you have the coat that people had to be playing 3 years back for (I honestly don't know the reqs) and is no longer available AND it looks fancy and cool? Oh heck yes! You are a special guy/gal/attackhelicopter!

I used to think like that. Check me and my Legacy tattoo! None of you can have this! neeners! I'd give my smug little "Only if you played in 1.0" when people asked how to get it. But now? ... I'm kinda mellowed on that whole mess. People enjoy this game in so many ways , sometimes they want their little potato or lizard person to be dressed just right or stare at themselves riding that weird ball thing across the (crazy beautiful) landscape. When they flattened veteran rewards I didn't even twitch. That's cool everyone, dress like squall if you want to, I'm glad it makes you happy. I don't feel cheated out of anything, I have it too if I wanna use it. It doesn't look any different just because someone else has it.

I think they should make the Visible part of the rewards available somehow. Heck, make it super hard to do. BUT! make it available so that new people can try for it if they want it. Nothing sucks more than joining a game with cosmetic elements late and finding out that "oh, that really cool thing that would have made you feel awesome about your avatar is just not available anymore".

How? Make it so the top 20 people in the whole data center can pick from a pool of old rewards every season. Make it so you have to maintain a certain win ratio for a given amount of time. It'll still be a rare thing, but if you REALLY REALLY want it, it will be there for you to work towards.

[Naunet]

How? Make it so the top 20 people in the whole data center can pick from a pool of old rewards every season. Make it so you have to maintain a certain win ratio for a given amount of time. It'll still be a rare thing, but if you REALLY REALLY want it, it will be there for you to work towards.

The arbitrary "top X# people" cut offs by definition aren't something you can really work toward. Did #21 work less hard than #20? Most likely not. You could work your butt off and still end up below the cut off because there were many other people also working their butts off. Kinda like the axiom of someone always has to come in last in a competition - doesn't necessarily mean they're bad or that they didn't work.

[Krotoan]

The arbitrary "top X# people" cut offs by definition aren't something you can really work toward. Did #21 work less hard than #20? Most likely not. You could work your butt off and still end up below the cut off because there were many other people also working their butts off. Kinda like the axiom of someone always has to come in last in a competition - doesn't necessarily mean they're bad or that they didn't work.

Well yes. For someone to win, someone else has to lose. Very true. BUT.. at least you could try again? It would give you incentive to keep playing.... or possibly crush your dreams and make you never want to play again.. but .. maybe not?

It's highly unlikely my personal ideas are the best solution, but in the end my suggestion is : Make the rewards available but make them difficult to attain.

[Naunet]

but in the end my suggestion is : Make the rewards available but make them difficult to attain.

In that case, I think something like "x# of wins" or "x# of matches" would be a better metric to distribute rewards by. That way it's not arbitrarily cut off and anyone can get it if they spend enough time on it.

[Krotoan]

In that case, I think something like "x# of wins" or "x# of matches" would be a better metric to distribute rewards by. That way it's not arbitrarily cut off and anyone can get it if they spend enough time on it.

Then you fall into the territory of "well.. then you just need to throw time at it and anyone can do that".
It's not an easy fix... =[
if you did wins or matches it'd have to be an astronomical amount..

[Naunet]

Then you fall into the territory of "well.. then you just need to throw time at it and anyone can do that".

Time is work and effort. The whole point of it is that "anyone" can obtain them - so long as they work hard. "Top 10/20/100" is arbitrary and does not actually distinguish between those who put in work and those who didn't.