How PL'ing killed FFXIV.

[Xianghua]

There is a difference between challenge & impossible, AV was indeed impossible unless you cheated back in the day. While I agree just because you don't see a drop it wasn't meant to be beaten isn't true, SE definitely did not want AV beaten. They removed the bug that even made it possible to kill it immediately after it was found out, thus once again making him dominant unkillable alpha NM of XI for a very long time.

Part of what made him unbeatable for so long was the narrow minds of the community. It was always throw KC DRKs at it or throw SAMs at it. None ever stopped to think about efficient new ways of killing him. Truthfully the way I think SE intended to kill him was to make Linkshell's work together. To try that out and stop the pointless fighting. However they would rather fight and argue over pointless things then actually work together. Most shell's never even went after AV simply because of the stories. So if anything it was the community that made him a lot more difficult to beat then he should of been.

[Jennestia]

Part of what made him unbeatable for so long was the narrow minds of the community. It was always throw KC DRKs at it or throw SAMs at it. None ever stopped to think about efficient new ways of killing him. Truthfully the way I think SE intended to kill him was to make Linkshell's work together.

Which is exactly how the first legit kill of AV was done, multiple Linkshells working together. I believe it was mostly western shells that exploited bugs and and whatnot to kill it, i.e the SCH Modus Vertias exploit, which required bots or exceptional timing as it required an alliance of SCHs to have perfect timing to turn 1 Helix into a 100,000 dmg nuke+DoT.

[Hanemakikaze]

Part of what made him unbeatable for so long was the narrow minds of the community. It was always throw KC DRKs at it or throw SAMs at it. None ever stopped to think about efficient new ways of killing him. Truthfully the way I think SE intended to kill him was to make Linkshell's work together. To try that out and stop the pointless fighting. However they would rather fight and argue over pointless things then actually work together. Most shell's never even went after AV simply because of the stories. So if anything it was the community that made him a lot more difficult to beat then he should of been.

Not sure if serious...you don't make a high profile NM like that where you require different linkshells to get a kill(and endgame linkshells always had bad blood with each other 80% of the time), no one was narrow minded, AV dropped the best gear in game for a long while. This would cause huge problems, and ridiculous amount of drama over drop priorities which is definitely not pointless. As for throwing SAMs & DRKs at it, that was clearly the most effective way everyone could think of after trying many different methods, come on now lets be real here. To sum that up, as about everything else about XI, AV was another terrible design/direction choice.

[Xianghua]

Not sure if serious...you don't make a high profile NM like that where you require different linkshells to get a kill(and endgame linkshells always had bad blood with each other 80% of the time), no one was narrow minded, AV dropped the best gear in game for a long while. This would cause huge problems, and ridiculous amount of drama over drop priorities which is definitely not pointless. As for throwing SAMs & DRKs at it, that was clearly the most effective way everyone could think of after trying many different methods, come on now lets be real here. To sum that up, as about everything else about XI, AV was another terrible design/direction choice.

People not getting along = Community problem. SE can't hold our hands and make us play nice. AV wasn't the only concept Design SE had that asked/demanded people to work together. Besieged and Campaign followed the same concept. Doing only one strategy even though there are many others that work its exactly what narrow mind is.

Most of the time there are problems With fights that people require a certain setup even though other setups will work. its a community problem not a design problem.

[Hanemakikaze]

People not getting along = Community problem. SE can't hold our hands and make us play nice. AV wasn't the only concept Design SE had that asked/demanded people to work together. Besieged and Campaign followed the same concept. Doing only one strategy even though there are many others that work its exactly what narrow mind is.

Most of the time there are problems With fights that people require a certain setup even though other setups will work. its a community problem not a design problem.

Lol how do you quote me & miss those key words you even bolded, "after trying many different methods". And comparing besieged & campaign to endgame is downright ridiculous. Those two were just fun things to do on the side and took very minimal effort to effectively get things accomplished, completely different than endgame where everyone's greedy as shit, if this wasn't a fact 90% of the LSs wouldn't have resorted to botting HNMs. This is not new, this isnt some kind of breakthrough, this is how all games usually go down when it comes down to it for end game, greed. Though most games now a days have evolved from the primitive & boring camping for good gear.

That will never change, and SE could have easily balanced it out to where it was killable with just your own LS being that it was large enough. And the fact that it took ages to get a legit kill, and needing ridiculous manpower and then there's the whole loot issue, is indeed a design problem, if this weren't the case they would have made another NM similar to this effect but they saw their mistakes. Anyway, this is way off topic so I'll leave it at that, have a good day.