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    Quote Originally Posted by Heleth View Post
    I'm just wondering specifically what type of content dk is found sub par/lacking? Are we talking end game raiding? Or are we including normal duty finder roullettes/raids/whatever?
    Generally speaking. But the disparity in DPS, mitigation and utility is most apparent when considering a setting where all of those are highly desired, savage raids and extreme primals.

    Although, DRK does have some issues in leveling content. Not so much in regular 70 content such as expert roulettes etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheyze View Post
    Generally speaking. But the disparity in DPS, mitigation and utility is most apparent when considering a setting where all of those are highly desired, savage raids and extreme primals.

    Although, DRK does have some issues in leveling content. Not so much in regular 70 content such as expert roulettes etc.
    It's the problem of their best part of their mitigation also being the final skill they earn.

    I've wondered if the devs should make TBN a level 50 skill with no blood gain, and level 70 simply gives it a trait that grants 50 blood after the shield expires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekimmak View Post
    I've wondered if the devs should make TBN a level 50 skill with no blood gain, and level 70 simply gives it a trait that grants 50 blood after the shield expires.
    It'll be hard to justify making TBN a level 50 skill when the skill itself is as thematically intertwined into the level 70 job quest as it is.

    Return of Shadowskin, adjusting the type of damage mitigated by Dark Mind, the popular suggestion of reducing Shadow Walls CD, or even going with returning Dark Dance + new procc effect...

    Things like that could both address leveling content aswell as the lack of mitigation in end-game content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheyze View Post
    It'll be hard to justify making TBN a level 50 skill when the skill itself is as thematically intertwined into the level 70 job quest as it is.

    Return of Shadowskin, adjusting the type of damage mitigated by Dark Mind, the popular suggestion of reducing Shadow Walls CD, or even going with returning Dark Dance + new procc effect...

    Things like that could both address leveling content aswell as the lack of mitigation in end-game content.
    Easy. Call the earlier one 'night skin' or something. Then at 70, you get a trait that replaces 'night skin' with TBN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyvhokan View Post
    Easy. Call the earlier one 'night skin' or something. Then at 70, you get a trait that replaces 'night skin' with TBN.
    That may fix the awful leveling experience, the disparity in mitigation when compared to other tanks in end-game content remains the same as it is now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheyze View Post
    That may fix the awful leveling experience, the disparity in mitigation when compared to other tanks in end-game content remains the same as it is now.
    Yeah, but there's a plethora of discussion about that separately. I think for the mitigation, Dark Mind and Sole Survivor are the main skills that need looking into - the first is stuck with magic damage only limiting it, and the latter is a useless ability that could be replaced by something like the old HW reprisal, or basically anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyvhokan View Post
    Easy. Call the earlier one 'night skin' or something. Then at 70, you get a trait that replaces 'night skin' with TBN.
    I had brought this up as well.

    If the lore is a concern (to my understanding, the infamous "Blackest Night" line isn't in other versions of the game, only English) they can just trait it at 70 with the TBN name. Make the untraited one called Shadowskin (if they aren't going to give us Shadowskin back as a new CD).
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