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    IMO, remove the "tapering" aspect of Embolden (i.e. keep it at 10% for the entire duration) and make it affect all damage types for everyone it lands on. That would make it Trick Attack levels of good, but then RDM's personal DPS and other utility is comparable to NIN's also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    IMO, remove the "tapering" aspect of Embolden (i.e. keep it at 10% for the entire duration) and make it affect all damage types for everyone it lands on. That would make it Trick Attack levels of good, but then RDM's personal DPS and other utility is comparable to NIN's also.
    The highest RDMs are already doing just about the same damage as the highest NINs, with a difference of ~100 give or take depending on the fight. If Embolden was a full +10% to ALL damage for 20 full seconds with no falloff, it would be insanely broken, never mind wanting to increase its single target damage to be even higher.

    Could either do +5% for 20 seconds or +10% for 10, if you don't want to do a falloff, or just keep the falloff and include magic damage.


    I know I'm in enemy territory when I say this, but again you don't want to break your class so hard that it's "required" (Note: we don't want ANYTHING to be trick attack levels of good, because it's broken and always has been. It's incredible that they haven't tweaked it in almost 4 full years). Or do you. I guess I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Llugen View Post
    I know I'm in enemy territory when I say this, but again you don't want to break your class so hard that it's "required" (Note: we don't want ANYTHING to be trick attack levels of good, because it's broken and always has been. It's incredible that they haven't tweaked it in almost 4 full years). Or do you. I guess I don't know.
    I understand what you mean. I'm not trying to make my main job broken, but I would argue that if Trick Attack is the gold standard for what SE wants a "utility DPS" to deliver to group DPS (as evidenced by the fact that it has not changed at all in three years since NIN was released), and Embolden is the only way RDM can contribute to group DPS, then it does in fact need to be something this good.

    It's not like NIN is miles ahead of other support DPS either - Hypercharge for example delivers 6% universal damage-up for ~28 seconds every two minutes, which isn't quite as good, but MCH has higher personal DPS to compensate.

    I expected the proposal I made to elicit a reaction in the realm of "WTF that's so broken", But really I just want all the jobs balanced relatively equally. If RDM is going to have NIN/BRD levels of personal DPS, then it should also contribute NIN/BRD levels of group DPS. Note also that I've completely ignored other utility here, for which I expect NIN still wins out with its aggro control stuff.
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