Red Mage could use some help.

[Dualgunner]

Daybreak was definitely flaming and your "as if only one job could be worked on at a time" could certainly be interpreted as flaming. And your "quote" of what I said is completely inaccurate.

Angry bump because there are people thinking that RDM needs help right now, which to be fair it is undertuned now that SMN is a god, but seriously wait your damn turn.

Yeah. Completely inaccurate.

If you want to take that as flaming, then go ahead. I was merely elucidating what your argument sounds like to others.

See once more that MNK is perfectly fine, in fact MNK is already creeping on SAM, and that while DRK could use some help it's not like its actively shunned (see also the world first clear of unending coil).

So? I'll concede a bit on MNK, but DRK has been asking for longer. If we're playing by "sit down and wait your turn", it's not BLM's turn until DRK is buffed.

Once again, nice try on all this, though. Why don't we advocate together the utility aspect of RDM rather than fight over nothing?

You're the one who came in here complaining that Red Mage is complaining about anything. You're the one who started spouting off stuff about it needing to be the weakest because of it being a joat, then you backpedaled when I said joat could easily mean it needs to be the highest tuned. You then started talking about it being some sort of "defensive dps"; defensively tuned anything in this game is bad. Ask 3.x PLD and 3.x WHM for more info on that.

Do you really not agree that RDM's utility should be the strongest and that SMNs was overtuned? The solution is to fix the utility aspect, not the damage (because power creep). I don't think that is complicated.

I absolutely agree Summoners were overtuned. I disagree that RDM's utility could be considered anywhere near the strongest while Embolden is the only trick in its bag for positive utility, while the rest is negative utility. Small potency buffs, alongside an embolden buff; that's all I think RDM really needs.