How PL'ing killed FFXIV.

[Rhomagus]

A wise man once told me.. and I hope you take it to heart...

Win if you can,
Lose if you must,
ALWAYS CHEAT!!

Sorry to tell you but life isn't fair, and MMO's shouldn't be either. It is an open world, shared by multiple players. If somebody is nice enough to see what you are doing and move on out of respect, or as you say "Ethics", then good for them. If not, well, bummer dude.. They have just as much right to any content in the world as you do regardless of level or task. If they want to farm mobs for drops then they should be able to do so. If they want to farm mobs for XP to power-level lower level toons, then they should be able to.

Ethically dubious??? Perhaps you have forgotten that this is a game.. You want to see ethically dubious, maybe you should spend 20+ years working various jobs building up a career.. I guarantee you will see "ethically dubious" behavior, at the LEAST, and downright illegal behavior at the worst..

Okay. I'm going to disregard your blatant ignorance as to my personal life. That holds no sway here. I'm very keen to the real world and I'm also aware that ethics exist in it. My complaints come from the very fact that this is a game and not real life. I suggest you make the same distinction. End of that discussion.

I already mentioned an alternative for people that want the intended outcome (PL'ing) without the residual blowback (Mob stealing of suggested levels)

This is a game, yes. This is a game meant for multiple players, yes. You don't have to incorporate play mechanics that can be used to intentionally grief people when there is a completely different method to provide the same outcome.

It's what we call in the real world "a rational alternative".

[Mishakai]

Okay. I'm going to disregard your blatant ignorance as to my personal life. That holds no sway here. I'm very keen to the real world and I'm also aware that ethics exist in it. My complaints come from the very fact that this is a game and not real life. I suggest you make the same distinction. End of that discussion.

I already mentioned an alternative for people that want the intended outcome (PL'ing) without the residual blowback (Mob stealing of suggested levels)

This is a game, yes. This is a game meant for multiple players, yes. You don't have to incorporate play mechanics that can be used to intentionally grief people when there is a completely different method to provide the same outcome.

It's what we call in the real world "a rational alternative".

I'm not talking about your real life, I'm talking about your irrational expectation of programming out human nature. We are competitive, we like to assert our dominance, and sometimes, we just like to just be jerks.. Has anybody even bothered to think that a portion of the reason for the many failed MMO's is due to the fact they they go out of their way to minimize that? Or that some of the most long lived MMO's are those whose rules allow those qualities to enable us to prosper? There is more to an MMO than being able to group with people to do a dungeon. In fact, those are technically co-op single player games. MMO's are partially defined by the community. Which means there needs to be a way for the jerks to be jerks. The more stops you put in, the worse the game gets.

[Hachi-Roku]

MMO's are partially defined by the community. Which means there needs to be a way for the jerks to be jerks. The more stops you put in, the worse the game gets.

And thus, Square-Enix created the FFXIV forums.

[AmyRae]

Which means there needs to be a way for the jerks to be jerks. The more stops you put in, the worse the game gets.

The worse the game gets... for jerks. It's not a demographic I think we should accommodate. Even sports have rules against "unsportsmanlike" conduct. Any healthy competition does.

[Mishakai]

The worse the game gets... for jerks. It's not a demographic I think we should accommodate. Even sports have rules against "unsportsmanlike" conduct. Any healthy competition does.

And I'm sure that during your entire MMO experiences you've never been a jerk? Not once did you spam an ability to snag a mob before someone else who may have been there waiting for the mob longer than you?

And ironically, that is what people here are saying SE needs to go out of their way to stop.

[AmyRae]

And I'm sure that during your entire MMO experiences you've never been a jerk? Not once did you spam an ability to snag a mob before someone else who may have been there waiting for the mob longer than you?

And ironically, that is what people here are saying SE needs to go out of their way to stop.

Claiming systems like this was what caused 99% of the drama among HNM linkshells who had to resort to measures like hacks and MPK to thwart their competition. To me, that's everything that's wrong with how FFXI handled a competitive environment which only brought out the worst in people.

[Alhanelem]

The worse the game gets... for jerks. It's not a demographic I think we should accommodate. Even sports have rules against "unsportsmanlike" conduct. Any healthy competition does.

It's something where trying to stop or defeat it is futile. You might be able to reduce the impact, but jerks will be jerks and there's nothing you can do about it. In fact, accommodating jerks may even take some of the fun out of being a jerk.

[Hachi-Roku]

We are competitive, we like to assert our dominance, and sometimes, we just like to just be jerks.. Has anybody even bothered to think that a portion of the reason for the many failed MMO's is due to the fact they they go out of their way to minimize that? Or that some of the most long lived MMO's are those whose rules allow those qualities to enable us to prosper?

and no, nobody bothers to think that because it's completely stupid