Another ban wave, another disappointment.

[Kyuuen]

Month after month, I keep reporting the same bots who are controlling the aethersand and consumable market on my server along with occupying multiple large houses while leaving them totally barren, but they continue to exist for whatever reason.

No way you can know this part. For all you know the player simply has deeper pockets and thus controls the market simply because they know people will buy at their prices. Unless there's some way to track retainer names to their owners that I'm unawares of.

As to the matter of the slow bans. From what they explained before they don't want to simply ban the obvious small fries that show up. They do a lot of investigating and trace work in attempt to find sources. Or at least that's what they've said before.

[KageTokage]

No way you can know this part.

You can when you see them selling several dozen stacks of 99 consumables with their name on it, coupled with the fact that whenever they aren't gathering, they're sitting in/outside their houses and crafting for hours on end.

I know some people are devoted to making money and all, but these guys are online and active 24/7. Even the richest legit (?) players on my server don't spend more then a few hours crafting daily.

[Kyuuen]

You can when you see them selling several dozen stacks of 99 consumables with their name on it, coupled with the fact that whenever they aren't gathering, they're sitting in/outside their houses and crafting for hours on end.

I know some people are devoted to making money and all, but these guys are online and active 24/7. Even the richest legit (?) players on my server don't spend more then a few hours crafting daily.

Hence why I mentioned why they're slow with their bans. They're trying to decipher who is legit and who is not. Being online constantly isn't a rule breaking offense, just because player A is on for 18 hours a day doesn't make them a farmer/seller. Controlling the market certainly, but there's no rules against that.

While not 100% accurate, you can kind of tell the crafter/gatherer types that tend to buy the same stuff over and over and then see a retainer with 3-4 stacks of that item being sold or even when you see a lot of crafted items, look for the name.

Which shows that it may be a player attempting to control the market, which isn't illegal. If we follow that logic a lot of people are gil farmers/sellers. As mentioned in my reply, they're slow in their bans due to an extensive investigation in trying to find sources and actual farmers/sellers.

[Shouko]

Hence why I mentioned why they're slow with their bans. They're trying to decipher who is legit and who is not. Being online constantly isn't a rule breaking offense, just because player A is on for 18 hours a day doesn't make them a farmer/seller. Controlling the market certainly, but there's no rules against that.



Which shows that it may be a player attempting to control the market, which isn't illegal. If we follow that logic a lot of people are gil farmers/sellers. As mentioned in my reply, they're slow in their bans due to an extensive investigation in trying to find sources and actual farmers/sellers.

I never claimed they were bots, I'm saying that you can find out to a small degree which retainers belong to which retainers.

[Shouko]

No way you can know this part. For all you know the player simply has deeper pockets and thus controls the market simply because they know people will buy at their prices. Unless there's some way to track retainer names to their owners that I'm unawares of.

As to the matter of the slow bans. From what they explained before they don't want to simply ban the obvious small fries that show up. They do a lot of investigating and trace work in attempt to find sources. Or at least that's what they've said before.

While not 100% accurate, you can kind of tell the crafter/gatherer types that tend to buy the same stuff over and over and then see a retainer with 3-4 stacks of that item being sold or even when you see a lot of crafted items, look for the name.

[Moonlite]

As to the matter of the slow bans. From what they explained before they don't want to simply ban the obvious small fries that show up. They do a lot of investigating and trace work in attempt to find sources. Or at least that's what they've said before.

This has been their policy for 15 years now. They have never answered why it is ok to let the equivalent of contraband into the game. Years ago one might think they are going to get all the big fish and win. HaHa, they aren't winning now or ever in current model. Move on and protect the players from the market flooding.