Can we get entry ilvl for levelling dungeons already?

[Enla]

Or even worse they are people who play for 3 or more years and still act like they started yesterday.

And have the mentor crown on at that... The number of mentors I've had who outright didn't know how to play is astronomical.

[BillyKaplan]

This doesn't happen because I usually run with 1 or 2 others who are fine with the gear I'm rolling with. If it ever rolls a dungeon the gear can't get through, we just vote disband it.

You're admitting what you're doing is wrong, otherwise you wouldn't have done that, and still you act like you have some moral high ground. You and yours honestly don't care for the time of the people you end up with in DF, do you? I pray the people you're disbanding on aren't DPS because that's easy a half an hour of them waiting for that queue to pop you just threw down the drain. You didn't even leave so they could hopefully get someone in-progress, no, that would mean you have to soak a penalty, you outright disband. Every single post you make in this thread only shows that the sooner they release SB's equivalent of PotD, the better, because gear isn't the problem when you queue into leveling roulette, your attitude is! This is an mmorpg, people should put a certain effort into running content so as to not overly hurt the gaming experience of those they queue with. Not up for that? Play single player where your performance only affects yourself. It would be one thing if you queued full, but you don't, which means there's always at least one person who has to put up with your crummy behavior. Your'e not only lazy, you're selfish.

[SeranaEclipse]

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I agree, and have with all tanks and healers in aug i270 done all of sb lvling with no issues at all, sure you take more dmg but if you know how to play and use your cd's then it is really not that hard.
The thing i hate is people with there gear non auged and half assed in doma+ as there is no excuse for under i270 at that point. But augmented shire gear with standerd V melds is more then doable and if people say otherwise then either they do not know how to play there class or there party does not because even with pubs and randoms, i rarely ever wiped or failed to clear any of the lvling dungeons from 61-69.

[MoroMurasaki]

Funny thing is, 270 is what drops in these dungeons. ...

But at the end of the day, no its not going to ruin a dungeon run for me if I get stuck in that situation. I don't consider myself simply average though, others in that situation would struggle and fail.

A similar ilvl does not necessarily indicate a proportional stat difference, to think so is a common mistake though. I believe the highest of these is 282 where as the lowest is 270. That's a 12 ilvl difference and yet...

Augmented Shire 480
Bardam's Mettle 610
Doma Castle 739
Castrum Abania 868

These are tank chest armor values from the end of HW compared to the end of SB leveling dungeons. Aside from also having considerable deficiencies in other stats you can see based on armor alone you're taking nearly double damage in Castrum Abania if you're wearing Augmented Shire gear to a tank just wearing gear from that instance much less being actually ahead. No amount of your personal skill changes the numbers.

To subject your party to this sort of negligence and laziness (especially when you have literally no excuse beyond ' you don't pay my sub' for not doing better) is awful. When I see random undergeared people in DF I tend to ignore it based on the idea that they don't know any better but you certainly do by now and you just refuse to be a courteous human.

In your own way you've actually made it worse on similar players now - where I used to assume inexperience now I'll see the potential carelessness and likely have less patience overall.

Edit: To all those claiming the ease of completing the last few SB dungeons in shire gear without issue... Has it occured to you this isn't a single player game? Your party matters. I'm sure on any healer class I could drag a shire tank through Abania, doesn't mean I should have to. I bet a geared tank could carry an undergeared healer too. The point is we should try to do better and since tge people in this thread make it clear they won't put in that minimal effort then we ask SE to enforce it for us.

[SeranaEclipse]

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You assume that even with shire gear people do not have to carry, i have done more dps in some runs, on some bosses even out healed my whm as a pld in my shire gear (In doma btw).
I try to have a top and weapon ready for 68 with penta melds to make up for my lack of defense and stats but when i have literally no space to carry anymore gear then no, i should not have to swap perfectly usable gear out for the sake of a little bit of defense and a few +10 ish stats that in my eyes, is not needed unless the party you play with is all under geared and new to there job (which in 67+ they should not be) Also having being a tank and healer for a while i know most the limets of people (Or avg) and try to not pull too big or too small depending on the group. As a tank you adapt to your group same as a healer, you do not expect everyone to be end game geared in lvling duty's but people seem to forget that part.
P.S i am for this idea of adding restrictions.

[Kaethra]

To subject your party to this sort of negligence and laziness (especially when you have literally no excuse beyond ' you don't pay my sub' for not doing better) is awful.

And the solution is to restrict which dungeon pops up by the player's ilevel.

You already know my stance and no amount of ad homenim attacks, guilt trips, or appeals will change that fact. So the only recourse I'm leaving you is to ask SE to implement the suggested solution. Sorry to say, but I'm leaving you no other option. Your feelings on the matter are irrelevant, the solution would help more players then your unheard pleas to me and others who agree.

[MoroMurasaki]

And the solution is to restrict which dungeon pops up by the player's ilevel.

You already know my stance and no amount of ad homenim attacks, guilt trips, or appeals will change that fact. So the only recourse I'm leaving you is to ask SE to implement the suggested solution. Sorry to say, but I'm leaving you no other option. Your feelings on the matter are irrelevant, the solution would help more players then your unheard pleas to me and others who agree.

They're not feelings, purposefully ignoring something mildly inconvenient to you despite the considerable aid it would grant others is factually inconsiderate and rude.

I wasn't trying to change your mind, I've seen enough people like you in the world to know a general disregard for other people when I see it, I was just disappointed enough with your selfishness that I wanted to take a few minutes to point it out. I'd also hope anyone who runs across this thread down the line sees my post following yours and understands how wrong you are.

As I said at the end of my post you quoted - since this problem persists the only real options are to leave things as they are and continue letting people get carried or to impliment a system which enforces a certain level of perparedness. I know what I'm in favor of but I also underatand how hesitant SE is to ever make changes.

You assume that even with shire gear people do not have to carry, i have done more dps in some runs, on some bosses even out healed my whm as a pld in my shire gear (In doma btw).
I try to have a top and weapon ready for 68 with penta melds to make up for my lack of defense and stats but when i have literally no space to carry anymore gear then no, i should not have to swap perfectly usable gear out for the sake of a little bit of defense and a few +10 ish stats that in my eyes, is not needed unless the party you play with is all under geared and new to there job (which in 67+ they should not be) Also having being a tank and healer for a while i know most the limets of people (Or avg) and try to not pull too big or too small depending on the group. As a tank you adapt to your group same as a healer, you do not expect everyone to be end game geared in lvling duty's but people seem to forget that part.
P.S i am for this idea of adding restrictions.

Great for you, happy you're succeeding, in the post you snipped you can see that it is a lot more than a "little bit" of defence. Also people can enter SB leveling dungeons below augmented shire right now. As happy I am that you support the idea of dungeon ilvl restrictions I have to wonder why you feel the need to point out specific instances in your experience. Antecdotes are not reasons to enact change - any group comp geares enough to not get oneshotted could get carried by an amazing healer, the point is (like that one) the situations you describe are specific times a thing happened. The number of overgeared players carrying woefully undergeared players far outweighs the sparse cases of the inverse.

[BillyKaplan]

ad homenim attacks

Ad Hominem is when you can't attack the argument so you attack the speaker. This isn't an Ad Hominem, we're openly doing both.
Back on topic, you're so bunkered you can't even see how illogical your idea is. Imagine a 61+ tank farming cracked clusters by queuing naked and thus limiting themselves to Sastasha. That's an exploit and will therefore never be implemented, not when they're bending over backwards trying to get tanks and healers to run SB content. That's why the new tank mounts are locked behind 61+ tanks - because that level means they can get into those very dungeons you're trying to get out of. Ain't gonna happen. Thing is, the benefits for completing leveling roulettes are good enough that even if it'll be locked behind an ilvl requirement based on your highest unlocked dungeon, people will gear up rather than pass up on the roulette. And if they do give up on the roulette, well, we have an entire thread in this forum saying why it's probably for the better.

[Kaethra]

Imagine a 61+ tank farming cracked clusters by queuing naked and thus limiting themselves to Sastasha. That's an exploit and will therefore never be implemented

I'd imagine that's easy to fix by checking your potential ilvl (some games do this already). If someone wants to vender their 300+ gear for cracked clusters.. by all means.

[MoroMurasaki]

I'd imagine that's easy to fix by checking your potential ilvl (some games do this already). If someone wants to vender their 300+ gear for cracked clusters.. by all means.

This is essentially what I suggested in the beginning of this thread.

Okay, you've hit 65 and want to queue into Leveling. Your highest available dungeon is Bardam's and the minimum ilvl for that is 268 (I don't know about an actual real number, not the point) so in order to queue for Leveling roulette you then need that class geared to 268.

As long as this is always a number below the gear dropped in the previous dungeon no one can get locked out - even if you're the cheapest person in Eorzea you can grind your way up.

Ad Hominem is when you can't attack the argument so you attack the speaker. This isn't an Ad Hominem, we're openly doing both.

Sassy, I like it.