Can we get entry ilvl for levelling dungeons already?

[HyoMinPark]

Nope. Sure haven't.

I've been asking for restrictions so when leveling another role/class I don't end up in dungeons I ought have no business in the first place within the leveling roulette.

But I'm being told I need to keep a retainer's worth of leveling gear on me at all times to queue for that. That makes no sense. I'm not suggesting to do Expert in 220 gear here. We're talking Leveling Roulette in 110/260 gear. That should be sufficient for that.

Then perhaps I misunderstood your post I initially responded to, because it sounded like you were saying “I don’t have adequate gear for this dungeon, but I don’t care if I get thrown into it regardless. Because I don’t have adequate storage/don’t want to store gear for leveling in my retainers/armory chest”. Hence why I responded as I did: even with the expanded armory chest and with 2 free retainers, there is more than enough space to store leveling gear for jobs you intend to level in the near future, or for remaining jobs in a particular role (e.g., I haven’t leveled PLD/WAR to 70 yet, so I stored my tank leveling gear in my retainers for the time being).

I was never telling you to “keep a retainer's worth of leveling gear on [you] at all times”; I was suggesting that, if you didn’t want it taking up space in your Armory, to store it in a retainer until you are ready to use it again. Because you complained about how it was a burden on inventory space to have so much leveling gear on your person at one time (even though I still think your post was a little bit of an exaggeration, but, I digress). Then you said that “NONE of you” actually do that, even though people have responded to show that they do. Hence, why people told you to speak for yourself.

However, with regards to your statement about leveling roulette, it is unacceptable for people in i110 gear to enter into The Vault or Great Gubal Library. Same for SB: people in i260 gear should not go into Doma Castle or Castrum Abania. Especially if they are a tank/healer. The mobs actually start to hit hard in those instances, and I would love to see a tank in i260 Unaugmented gear survive the final boss in Castrum Abania, especially after he starts applying bleed with his slash attacks. The gear is just not up to standards for the instance. Just read the Duty Finder thread about all the nightmare stories of tanks in Unaugmented Ironworks gear in The Vault or Unaugmented Shire in Bardam’s Mettle.

[Ilan]

Ironically, those screaming "elitism" at the top of their lunges often think themselves entitled to clear content and that veterans have to help.

Or even worse they are people who play for 3 or more years and still act like they started yesterday.

[Kaethra]

However, with regards to your statement about leveling roulette, it is unacceptable for people in i110 gear to enter into The Vault or Great Gubal Library.

100% agree, I do heavily support ilevel restrictions on what pops up for someone in the leveling roulette.

You probably missed what I initially said like 10 pages ago, I don't expect you to read everything. But there were many saying that I was wrong for not wanting to keep interim gear for a leveling roulette. I don't mind holding onto 50 and 60 gear (stuff prior to 50 is pretty trivial). That's pretty easy to manage. But three to four tiers of gear is just too much to bother with. Some can call it lazy, I really could care less what they think. I'm there to get the daily out of the way and get to 70 on those classes. There's no reason for to remain at pre70 on the classes I intend to play any longer then the minimum needed.

[BillyKaplan]

But three to four tiers of gear is just too much to bother with.

You can keep the 55/65 gear tiers then and a lot less people will get on your case, especially if you're DPS. Or just, you know, buy the thing as soon as you hit the relevant level and get rid of it after, not everyone is the hoarder I am where by the time I get to leveling some classes I have full sets all the way through to 70 from running things on my other classes. wait you keep saying people like me don't exist, never mind then.

Some can call it lazy, I really could care less what they think.

Until you get kicked for differences in playstyle because a leveling roulette can still net you in your on-level dungeon. And I know you want them to not let you run that content if that's the case, but as I said before, that's directly contradictory to the roulettes being there to feed queues.

There's no reason for to remain at pre70 on the classes I intend to play any longer then the minimum needed.

I hear having better gear helps get things done faster, but it might be just a rumor, might wanna check that.

[Kaethra]

Until you get kicked for differences in playstyle because a leveling roulette can still net you in your on-level dungeon.

This doesn't happen because I usually run with 1 or 2 others who are fine with the gear I'm rolling with. If it ever rolls a dungeon the gear can't get through, we just vote disband it.

Majority rules and all that.

[Lodinn]

This doesn't happen because I usually run with 1 or 2 others who are fine with the gear I'm rolling with. If it ever rolls a dungeon the gear can't get through, we just vote disband it.
Majority rules and all that.

What kind of gear are you wearing so that you *can't* get through the dungeon? Because you *can* get through all of SB leveling stuff in 270 even if it won't be particularly swift and easy.

[Cakekizyy]

Who the hell carries, even on their retainers, full sets of 53, 55, and 57 gear or their 60-70 counterparts. NONE of you do that.

I have 8 retainers and 6 of them are completely full of gear for leveling alts.

[Fynlar]

Yes, this is something that needs to happen.

Also on the i270 point, it's really sufficient for all of the SB leveling dungeons if you're not playing like a complete novice, which you really shouldn't be at this point unless you're buying jump books or something. That's pretty much how I got through the MSQ, just like how I did with i130 gear for Heavensward.

Gear upgrades while progressing through HW/SB need to happen if you only reached those expansions in bare minimum gear, though. But for the people that managed to get themselves to the ilvl cap before the next expansion (all i130 before HW, all i270 before SB), imo part of the "reward" for their efforts is being able to cruise through the next expansion's leveling dungeons without particularly needing to stop and worry about gear.

[Kaethra]

What kind of gear are you wearing so that you *can't* get through the dungeon? Because you *can* get through all of SB leveling stuff in 270 even if it won't be particularly swift and easy.

Funny thing is, 270 is what drops in these dungeons. And from sources people don't want to hear about, I was capable of out damaging (2-4x in many cases) the other DPS while leveling to 70. This was in reference to an event about a year ago where I queued as a tank in 110 gear and got the Aery in a leveling roulette. Survived just fine, but holding agro off of 260 geared peeps was not easy. Fast forward to now, it did the same thing again about a week and a half ago while leveling a DPS. Again dungeon completed, but I was a few points behind the other DPS. Given my performance with the shire gear, that could have been alot worse if I didn't know the rotations as well as I did.

But at the end of the day, no its not going to ruin a dungeon run for me if I get stuck in that situation. I don't consider myself simply average though, others in that situation would struggle and fail.

I have 8 retainers and 6 of them are completely full of gear for leveling alts.

+$12/month to run a leveling roulette because of a chance of a midtier dungeon in HW or SB doesn't make sense to me. I have the default 2. But if you're willing to pay for 6 more retainers for me for the next 3 months, I'll immediately concede the argument. Seems like a cheap way for you to win an argument, you interested?

[Cakekizyy]

+$12/month to run a leveling roulette because of a chance of a midtier dungeon in HW or SB doesn't make sense to me. I have the default 2. But if you're willing to pay for 6 more retainers for me for the next 3 months, I'll immediately concede the argument. Seems like a cheap way for you to win an argument, you interested?

I hoard gear for possible glams. I would help, but that's a big chunk of my monthly food budget.