Can we get entry ilvl for levelling dungeons already?

[Kaethra]

That's like saying you're not using any of your level 62-68 abilities in Doma Castle because you don't know how to and can't be bothered to find out.
You're making the run harder than it has to be out of pure laziness and disregard for the rest of the party.

That doesn't even compare to what is being asked, which is to carry an EXTRA 180 pieces of gear (12 slots x 3 additional tiers x 5 roles).

I'll wager you all don't even do what I'm saying I won't do. That's hypocrisy.

[RitsukoSonoda]

That doesn't even compare to what is being asked, which is to carry an EXTRA 180 pieces of gear (12 slots x 3 additional tiers x 5 roles).

I'll wager you all don't even do what I'm saying I won't do. That's hypocrisy.

Its not unreasonable to expect you to appropriately gear the job you are playing as. I have leveled every combat based job in this game. Its not hard. Additionally much of the gear is interchangeable excluding the weapon so your assumption on gear purchase is extremely exaggerated. Unless you are new to the game and its your very first job you are leveling being 10+ levels behind on gear really does boil down to laziness on the part of the player with no regard for the inconvenience they are causing to the people they are matched with in DF. Even then when I first started playing I always made sure my gear was up to date on my first job to 50 and was never strained on gil doing so.

[HyoMinPark]

That doesn't even compare to what is being asked, which is to carry an EXTRA 180 pieces of gear (12 slots x 3 additional tiers x 5 roles).

I'll wager you all don't even do what I'm saying I won't do. That's hypocrisy.

That’s a gross exaggeration of how much gear you would actually need. If you’re not currently leveling a job, store the gear in your retainers—especially easy to do if you just have the two free retainers, and you don’t craft/gather. If you are max level on a specific role (tanks, healers, melee DPS, ranged DPS, casters), then why would you be carrying leveling gear around for them? Get rid of it, or store the pieces you want to keep for glamour in your retainers. As it stands, the armory chest has been expanded in such a way that you can have different sets of gear for each job easily—one set of gear for each of the jobs—and still have space left over.

While there are still inventory constraints in this game, they’re not extreme enough to use it as an excuse to enter duties with poor gear.

[Kaethra]

If you are max level on a specific role (tanks, healers, melee DPS, ranged DPS, casters), then why would you be carrying leveling gear around for them? Get rid of it

This is what I do already. When I level my RDM to 70, I intend to hold onto the 60 (i260) gear for casters as well as the 50 (i110). But when I level a summoner. I'm not going to have the 53-57 nor the 63-67 gear. Same thing with a Tank or Healer role. Who the hell carries, even on their retainers, full sets of 53, 55, and 57 gear or their 60-70 counterparts. NONE of you do that. And I'm not going to specific queue a dungeon for 5-7 runs just because of a 'chance' of getting a higher ilevel dungeon.

No, I'm going to do what most do, go straight to 70 and use the gear waiting. I'm fine with the roulette not putting me in dungeons my gear cannot do. If a dungeon has a ilevel requirement, it simply needs to be Enforced in roulettes. Try it. Try queuing for those dungeons directly without having the proper gear. It won't let you. Roulette need to be the same.

Unless you all can give me a good reason why a tank with ilevel 110 should be allowed in a 55+ dungeon. I don't think you can. I don't think they should. Whether its me or someone else.

[Mysterysword]

Who the hell carries, even on their retainers, full sets of 53, 55, and 57 gear or their 60-70 counterparts. NONE of you do that.

Speak for yourself.

[Miste]

Who the hell carries, even on their retainers, full sets of 53, 55, and 57 gear or their 60-70 counterparts. NONE of you do that. And I'm not going to specific queue a dungeon for 5-7 runs just because of a 'chance' of getting a higher ilevel dungeon.

Uh....*raises hand*?

At SB launch all my jobs were 60 and 50 RDM and 50 SAM.

I leveled SAM and RDM to 60 with PotD and they obtained my level 60 gear that my casters and MNK had.

Once I started leveling jobs in SB from 60-70 I collected gear and I kept it. I leveled AST and I kept all the SB leveling gear for when I am going to level the next healer and so on and for every other role as well.

So right now I haven't finished some of my jobs to 70 and any gear I got that is shared I kept from when I leveled the other jobs. I would also preemptively collect gear for the next jobs I was leveling. For example if I was leveling RDM and my next job was going to be SAM and I hadn't leveled any melee jobs yet I would greed on striking gear as I leveled through the dungeons.

I tend to do things in an efficient manner so it is just how I play. Like I leveled all the casters quite close together in order to remove the caster gear since I no longer have any casters to level, same with the ranged physical DPS MCH and BRD, and all the healer jobs.

This efficiency helps me do my role better for any groups I get. As a tank I am less stressful to heal for the healer and I do more damage, DPS I do more damage and makes the run quicker, healer I heal for more and do more damage to make the run smoother.

It helps me and it helps the people I play with so I figure it is win-win and with the SB space increase I didn't have a problem holding onto the gear from Bardam's Mettle to Abania. (I didn't need shisui gear since I raid so almost all my jobs were 270 or at least 269...but I even still collected and held onto shisui gear for glamour anyway so i have partial sets)


As for topic I've actually made a topic about the DF requirements before so my opinion is out there, simply put I agree we need item level restrictions on every DF duty. Ending up in Sirensong Sea with a tank wearing a mixture of i140 to i150 gear and an i110 weapon who dies in 2-3 hits and can't hold hate so the party ends up having to wait 5 mins to kick them and wait for a new tank is just plain ridiculous even if such a thing is a rare occurrence...it just shouldn't be able to occur at all. That is a true story by the way :/

[HyoMinPark]

This is what I do already. When I level my RDM to 70, I intend to hold onto the 60 (i260) gear for casters as well as the 50 (i110). But when I level a summoner. I'm not going to have the 53-57 nor the 63-67 gear. Same thing with a Tank or Healer role. Who the hell carries, even on their retainers, full sets of 53, 55, and 57 gear or their 60-70 counterparts. NONE of you do that. And I'm not going to specific queue a dungeon for 5-7 runs just because of a 'chance' of getting a higher ilevel dungeon.

Please speak for yourself. When I was leveling my jobs to 60 back in HW, I did keep pieces of leveling gear stored in retainers, especially for my tank and healer jobs, for when I decided to level a job. They may not have been full sets, but I did keep pieces so as to not be a hinderance to parties I was thrown in for my roulettes. Right now, I have pieces of leveling gear stored for my jobs that aren’t level 70 yet (though I could use some more tank gear past level 65).

For DPS, entering Doma Castle in i270 isn’t as big of a deal compared to a tank or healer entering Doma Castle in i270, but it’s still mildly disrespectful to go into a dungeon in subpar gear. Because it’s only going to cause a hinderance for the rest of the party, and that’s disrespectful. And it probably wouldn’t take as many runs as you think, since leveling dungeons guarantee you a drop upon completion, and the coffers throughout also give several options in terms of gear.

No, I'm going to do what most do, go straight to 70 and use the gear waiting. I'm fine with the roulette not putting me in dungeons my gear cannot do. If a dungeon has a ilevel requirement, it simply needs to be Enforced in roulettes. Try it. Try queuing for those dungeons directly without having the proper gear. It won't let you. Roulette need to be the same.

Unless you all can give me a good reason why a tank with ilevel 110 should be allowed in a 55+ dungeon. I don't think you can. I don't think they should. Whether its me or someone else.

Have you missed the entire point of this thread? This thread is about putting in, and enforcing, minimum ilvl requirements for leveling dungeons, which currently do not have any. Right now, any level 61 job can queue in for Sirensong in gear from ARR or HW, and it will let them—because there is no ilvl requirement for the leveling dungeons. The only dungeons that have ilvl requirements are the 50/60/70 dungeons. I have seen tanks and healers in Sirensong with pieces of, not only Ironworks, but Makai PvP gear, Brand New Rings (that’s always fun), and Unaugmented Lore gear (the i230 stuff). I’ve even seen some in i200 Unaugmented AF gear. And they get in because there is no minimum ilvl requirement for leveling dungeons. Hence, this thread’s existence.

The majority of this thread is advocating against letting i110 tanks/healers/DPS into level 55+ dungeons. Because they aren’t equipped to handle it, so they shouldn’t be allowed in it—out of respect for the people they would get grouped with, they shouldn’t even attempt to queue into something like The Vault, Bardam’s Mettle, or Doma Castle in gear that is subpar for their level (Unaugmented Ironworks, Makai gear, Unaugmented Shire, or even Augmented Shire is pushing it in Doma Castle if you’re a tank/healer).

Maybe, because it’s early, I’m misunderstanding your post, but I feel like you missed the main point of this thread...

[Kaethra]

Have you missed the entire point of this thread?

Nope. Sure haven't.

I've been asking for restrictions so when leveling another role/class I don't end up in dungeons I ought have no business in the first place within the leveling roulette.

But I'm being told I need to keep a retainer's worth of leveling gear on me at all times to queue for that. That makes no sense. I'm not suggesting to do Expert in 220 gear here. We're talking Leveling Roulette in 110/260 gear. That should be sufficient for that.

[HyoMinPark]

Nope. Sure haven't.

I've been asking for restrictions so when leveling another role/class I don't end up in dungeons I ought have no business in the first place within the leveling roulette.

But I'm being told I need to keep a retainer's worth of leveling gear on me at all times to queue for that. That makes no sense. I'm not suggesting to do Expert in 220 gear here. We're talking Leveling Roulette in 110/260 gear. That should be sufficient for that.

Then perhaps I misunderstood your post I initially responded to, because it sounded like you were saying “I don’t have adequate gear for this dungeon, but I don’t care if I get thrown into it regardless. Because I don’t have adequate storage/don’t want to store gear for leveling in my retainers/armory chest”. Hence why I responded as I did: even with the expanded armory chest and with 2 free retainers, there is more than enough space to store leveling gear for jobs you intend to level in the near future, or for remaining jobs in a particular role (e.g., I haven’t leveled PLD/WAR to 70 yet, so I stored my tank leveling gear in my retainers for the time being).

I was never telling you to “keep a retainer's worth of leveling gear on [you] at all times”; I was suggesting that, if you didn’t want it taking up space in your Armory, to store it in a retainer until you are ready to use it again. Because you complained about how it was a burden on inventory space to have so much leveling gear on your person at one time (even though I still think your post was a little bit of an exaggeration, but, I digress). Then you said that “NONE of you” actually do that, even though people have responded to show that they do. Hence, why people told you to speak for yourself.

However, with regards to your statement about leveling roulette, it is unacceptable for people in i110 gear to enter into The Vault or Great Gubal Library. Same for SB: people in i260 gear should not go into Doma Castle or Castrum Abania. Especially if they are a tank/healer. The mobs actually start to hit hard in those instances, and I would love to see a tank in i260 Unaugmented gear survive the final boss in Castrum Abania, especially after he starts applying bleed with his slash attacks. The gear is just not up to standards for the instance. Just read the Duty Finder thread about all the nightmare stories of tanks in Unaugmented Ironworks gear in The Vault or Unaugmented Shire in Bardam’s Mettle.

[Kaethra]

However, with regards to your statement about leveling roulette, it is unacceptable for people in i110 gear to enter into The Vault or Great Gubal Library.

100% agree, I do heavily support ilevel restrictions on what pops up for someone in the leveling roulette.

You probably missed what I initially said like 10 pages ago, I don't expect you to read everything. But there were many saying that I was wrong for not wanting to keep interim gear for a leveling roulette. I don't mind holding onto 50 and 60 gear (stuff prior to 50 is pretty trivial). That's pretty easy to manage. But three to four tiers of gear is just too much to bother with. Some can call it lazy, I really could care less what they think. I'm there to get the daily out of the way and get to 70 on those classes. There's no reason for to remain at pre70 on the classes I intend to play any longer then the minimum needed.