Can we get entry ilvl for levelling dungeons already?

[MoroMurasaki]

Here is the net-all solution to the problem:

Do the dungeon regardless.

If you have a tank who can't tank 2 mobs, just run as if you have no tank.

If you have a healer who can't heal, just run as if you have no healer.

It can almost always be done. Now if you have neither a tank nor a healer who, and only two DPS, things get significantly harder. Beyond what a random DF queue can likely pull off. And frankly it would virtually require two ranged DPS.

I would direct you to the "Tales from the Duty Finder" thread where plenty of people have trouble completing these dungeons with a full group who are geared - now you suggest finishing a dungeon without that?


Who is taking Ketu Slash in Abania? It will oneshot once it's powered up with the bleed. Who is aiming cleaves away from the group with enmity bouncing around? You can't complete many SB dungeons without a full party. Sure, you could have a RDM and PLD try to make up for a healer but with as slow as the DPS would be going they would almost invariably run out of mp.

This suggestion just rubs me the wrong way. The answer is not to carry people as if they aren't a problem, it's to educate them about what they've done wrong and (if clearing isn't going to happen) kick them to spare the rest of the party the wasted time. Yes, one person (who made a mistake in not being geared appropriately) needs to requeue but that's still better than wasting a bunch of other player's time.

Votekick exists for a reason. If you want to help this problem continue by dragging woefully unprepared players through content they have been too lazy or careless to prepare for go right ahead, don't presume that is a "net-all" solutuon by any means.

[Akor]

wait there isnt avg ilvl restrict in SB dungeons? If i remember correctly we have for HW and ARR dungeons but not for sb?

[NolLacnala]

Elitism, because they want to speed run their roulettes.

This doesn't happen every run.

The leveling roulettes are supposed to be there to help low levels get thru their dungeons. Teach and be patient or leave.
Flame away.

Time is money (subscription) and we're not being paid to carry corpses

[Jijifli]

wait there isnt avg ilvl restrict in SB dungeons? If i remember correctly we have for HW and ARR dungeons but not for sb?

The leveling ones. HW's versions don't either.

Basically, if the dungeon isn't for level 50, 60, or 70, you can go in with the game's starting gear and Square will allow it.

[Felis]

You gonna pay my sub if you're gonna tell me what to do? Because I have a LOT of retainers and I'm used to taking orders, so if you wanna pay then you can tell me what to do.

Just ask for the bank datas of the other players, pay their sub and then you can play like you want without thinking on the group.
So long you don't pay the other players sub, the "you don' pay my sub" is useless.


I think the minimum ilevel requirement should be the ilevel requirement of the last story dungeon from the previous expansion.
17-49 = nothing
51-59 = ilevel 90
61-69 = ilevel 230

[BillyKaplan]

I think the minimum ilevel requirement should be the ilevel requirement of the last story dungeon from the previous expansion.

I think you can afford to be a tiny bit more strict than this. They made it so that at the end of every dungeon post ARR, you receive one piece of gear for your current job/role that you do not have in your inventory. By the time you're at the level x9 dungeon, even if you were unlucky and got gear for the same slot all throughout the expansion so you only have effectively the one upgraded piece, it would still make a huge difference to your ilvl once you equip it. And that's not accounting for gear pieces from MSQ. All that adds up to a slightly stricter ilvl restriction, and if players can't answer that, well, why not? The game is throwing leveling gear at us at this point, if you didn't manage to gear up even so much between the failsafe dungeon drops and MSQ gear, it's your own fault and people shouldn't have to make up for it, not when the game bent over backwards to prevent it.

Remember way back when in level 5 when they made you run side quests to get either gear or money for gear because it literally wouldn't let you progress without it? Can we bring that back?

[BigRed5392]

[QUOTE=Felis;4477362]Nobody have to run dungeons to gear up for leveling dungeons. Just run first to the next vendor NPC before enter the queue. Who can't even do that earn a kick./QUOTE] op said he did try kicking the ppl out, the other people voted no simply due to not wanting to wait a 30 min queue. And What i meant by "run to get gear" i mean running to a vendor/market board. Not running a dungeon.

The current system is fine. There are rarely problems in duties that I run and I run a lot of them with a main and 7 alts.

no it isn't, it happens way more often them you think, either you are not checking people gear, or don't care. I saw it a ton in ARR dungeons, and see it a few times on HW/SB dungeons. Mainly from ppl leveling alt jobs. which they didn't have gear to supplement and need to buy it/ get it crafted.

[Kaethra]

I did a leveling roulette on my RDM the other day. I had a ilevel of 111 and it threw me into a level 55+ dungeon. Thankfully my friend who I queued with was a 70 nearly max gear tank who pulled the DPS I lacked (though I was second on DPS ironically, he was first).

This reminded me of playing a DK while leveling when 3.3 was out and had something similar. It was rough. While I had unlocked and completed the dungeon on my then geared White Mage easily. The leveling roulette did NOT check my item level for a different class. All it checks (at least then and it seems to do the same now) is your level and doesn't seem to care what gear you have.

So its not elitist to call for a gear check on leveling roulettes to determine which dungeon you get. Its needed. I don't want to queue and be thrown into a dungeon I'm not capable of doing. For many of my classes I have gear waiting for them (since many share gear). So I don't want to buy the stuff inbetween. I'm perfectly fine with getting Sastasha for my roulette if that's all I'm capable of doing.

[BigRed5392]

imo there is no excuse not to keep your gear up to date. Its not even mmo, but an rpg 101. You can't always get the people like this kicked out, from 2.0-3.0 people got told "gear doesn't matter" so by the time they hit cap, or some such they are not well geared. people see leveling dungeons as easy, and no need to be well geared. Yet, not keeping your gear up to date just slows a run, and makes people do double if not triple the work.

For many of my classes I have gear waiting for them (since many share gear). So I don't want to buy the stuff in between. I'm perfectly fine with getting Sastasha for my roulette if that's all I'm capable of doing.

Or just gear up and save ppl the head ache. :/ no excuse for "not buying stuff" if you need it, waiting on gear is lazy man. And you screw over your other pt members.

[BillyKaplan]

So I don't want to buy the stuff inbetween. I'm perfectly fine with getting Sastasha for my roulette if that's all I'm capable of doing.

The problem with roulettes is that it's exploitable. Imagine tanks and healers who'll pull this off and make queueing for anything over even harder than it already is. If anything, when it comes to roulettes, I see them doing the reverse - forcing you to have a minimum ilvl based on your level so that you'll be able to clear your on-level dungeon. If you're not leveled enough for the roulette, run your on-level dungeon or whatever you can run a couple of times and get better gear. Buy vendor gear even. This entire debate is to try and mitigate situations where you're levels upon levels behind what you're supposed to have, not endorse it.