Open world PvP Zone

[Zandeth]

1. Rival Wings is a 1v1 factions mode.
2. No. That just promotes bullying.
3. Double no.
4. Why even? Just leave if you don't want to be attacked.
5. That seems wholly unneeded.
6. Seriously no, we don't need FATEs in PvP.
7. You don't seem to understand what Beast Tribes are to suggest that.
8. "Bully them for more bonuses."
9. Why even. Just. Stop. We have an arena, we have ways of making in-game tournaments, what even is a PvP "mini-game"?
10 and 11. "Let's all just join one faction and bully anyone who's foolish enough to join the other side." ala Cerulean Order and Crimson Legion in Blade n Soul.

Open World PvP is almost always a one-sided bullying fest. And none of these ideas would make it better.

[Geryth]

Open World PvP is almost always a one-sided bullying fest. And none of these ideas would make it better.

Some of the most gaming fun I've ever had was getting revenge on someone or a group of people who thought they'd gank around. Calling open world PvP "almost always" a one-sided bully fest is your anecdotal experience, and might indicate your actual experience with it isn't much.

You must not have ever tasted the glory of downing an open world boss in the midst of a PvP fight over it before. You're missing out.

[Zandeth]

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So you're countering my "anecdotal experience" with your own and trying to assume you know what I've experienced personally, interesting. Tell me then, where do you see the fairness in eight players being able to party up together and target one lone player who wouldn't be able to get away to a "safe zone" due to how this game works with stuns, pulls, etc.? Especially when said lone player is only in the zone to do the Beast Tribe quests and such? Or how about needing to get X amount of kills for a reward, but you're on the lesser faction with no hope of doing so?

When you bring factions into PvP, it creates bullying. This is true even in Frontlines. Or do I really need to bring up every instance of Adders and Flames ganging up on Maelstrom?

I am speaking from experience because that is how a proper opinion is formed. Saying something is anecdotal is just trying to make your opinion sound better when it's just the same as my own.

[Geryth]

So you're countering my "anecdotal experience" with your own and trying to assume you know what I've experienced personally, interesting.

I'm glad you noticed, the exact purpose of my statements were to highlight how players have vastly different experiences but it doesn't mean it's applicable to the bigger picture.

Tell me then, where do you see the fairness in eight players being able to party up together and target one lone player who wouldn't be able to get away to a "safe zone" due to how this game works with stuns, pulls, etc.? Especially when said lone player is only in the zone to do the Beast Tribe quests and such? Or how about needing to get X amount of kills for a reward, but you're on the lesser faction with no hope of doing so?

When you bring factions into PvP, it creates bullying. This is true even in Frontlines. Or do I really need to bring up every instance of Adders and Flames ganging up on Maelstrom?

Those are rules and scenarios of open world PvP that you accept when you attempt the content. My entire WoW career was on a PvP server and I fell victim to open world PvP messing up my mundane solo goals many times. It's quite easy to deal with - you get some buddies to get revenge or you leave and do something else. If that bothers you, then open world PvP isn't your thing and that's perfectly fine. It's optional content that you don't have to participate in.

I am speaking from experience because that is how a proper opinion is formed. Saying something is anecdotal is just trying to make your opinion sound better when it's just the same as my own.

Your anecdotal experiences are absolutely valid to bring up. An experience is an experience, and all experiences add up to something, whether yours is part of the norm or not. But you seemed to be speaking with authoritative blanket statements about what all open world PvP is like. Open world PvP can be very fun for many people, and it's worked quite well for many other games. So to say things like "it's always a bully fest" just isn't true.

[Kisagami]

Where do you see the fairness in eight players being able to party up together and target one lone player who wouldn't be able to get away to a "safe zone" due to how this game works with stuns, pulls, etc.? Especially when said lone player is only in the zone to do the Beast Tribe quests and such? Or how about needing to get X amount of kills for a reward, but you're on the lesser faction with no hope of doing so?

When you bring factions into PvP, it creates bullying. This is true even in Frontlines. Or do I really need to bring up every instance of Adders and Flames ganging up on Maelstrom?

THIS. People would wanna be there just for the Beast Tribe quests and fates and we wouldn’t be able to because of gankers.

[Geryth]

THIS. People would wanna be there just for the Beast Tribe quests and fates and we wouldn’t be able to because of gankers.

But that's...the purpose of open world PvP. If you don't want to get ganked doing a FATE or a Beast Tribe quest or whatever FFXIV might put into an open world zone then...don't go there.

Some people may not like end game raiding. Maybe it's the pressure of performing well or being forced to be on at certain times to push new content, or what have you. You complaining about open world PvP would be like someone who doesn't like end game raiding saying, "I hate being held to a schedule and being forced to cooperate with other players". To which the rightful reply is, "That's the price of the content that you have to pay if you want to participate".

And guess what? Lots of people opt out of lots of FFXIV content. Whether it's end-game, beast tribes, crafting, sight logs, housing etc. etc.

[Shirolumi]

When you bring factions into PvP, it creates bullying. This is true even in Frontlines. Or do I really need to bring up every instance of Adders and Flames ganging up on Maelstrom?.

I'm not sure if I understand this. How are you supposed to PvP if you're not part of different factions. Or are you saying it should be a free-for-all deathmatch in the area? Every man for himself? It could work I guess, but unless there is partying up available to form teams, that wouldn't be much fun. This is what competitive stuff is. Again, let us just take a look at sports. If two people from one football team is running to get the ball from a lone player, are they bullying him? No. That's just how the game works.

In Frontlines, if let's say Mael is in the lead and Twin and Flames both attack them, that is not bullying. That else are they supposed to do there? Just sit back, fight each other and let Mael win?

I'd very much like to know your logic behind this.

THIS. People would wanna be there just for the Beast Tribe quests and fates and we wouldn’t be able to because of gankers.

It seems people got stuck on the idea of Beast Tribes in the area. If we just remove Beast Tribe quest then, would there be any objections to a open-world pvp zone? Because if you don't like PvP, now there wouldn't be any reason to go there. It would be just for PvPers.

[Kisagami]

It seems people got stuck on the idea of Beast Tribes in the area. If we just remove Beast Tribe quest then, would there be any objections to a open-world pvp zone? Because if you don't like PvP, now there wouldn't be any reason to go there. It would be just for PvPers.

I can only get behind this unless there is no storyline plot part of the area. If it is just PVP, I’m good, as I won’t feel the need to go there ever. Storyline needs to be kept PVE.

[Zandeth]

I'd very much like to know your logic behind this.

The Frontlines example does not always apply when a company is in the lead. Many, many times I have experienced a GC being ganged up on while in last place for "farming" purposes. It's very frustrating when you're on the company being double-teamed, but at the same time when you're on one of the two doing it, you don't really care how they feel. Because who doesn't jump at the chance to pick on an easy mark for easy points? Also if we were to use football as a comparison, an open world PvP zone would be equal to someone grabbing the ball and running, only to get tackled by someone who was in the stands. Comparing anything open world with sports doesn't work. If you want to actually compare FFXIV's PvP with Football: the Feast. The Feast is also how you PvP without worrying about factions, so that's how you're supposed to PvP.

[Shirolumi]

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If it's not the company in the lead, that is just one losing team being stupid because those points are never going to amount to a win if the leading team is also farming. They are not bullying together. It's the winning team taking advantage of the bad team basically.
How would it be like that? Every player entering the zone knows its purpose, just like with queueing for FL or Feast. Maybe I worded myself badly, but when I say factions, I mean that entirely as something that could be tied to a story. I clearly state in the OP, 2 factions (or maybe more). That would be 2 teams. The Feast is 2 teams too. The Feast is competitive PvP. I am suggesting this to be something else.

Because people get toxic. Competition in gaming is not sportsmanlike. Look at Overwatch. Look at WOW. I want a relaxing sense of community where people aren’t screaming about banging my mother or threatening me in real life just because I may have killed them. .

I am sorry but there are so many things that I disagree with in this post.
1. "Because people get toxic". If you think that, I'm guessing you're against all type of PvP in this game. But then again what are you then doing on the PvP forum? I don't raid much, it's not like I go to the raid forums to complain about people getting ultimate.
2. "I want a relaxing sense of community where I don't want people screaming at the for wiping them in PvE content". Guess what, that happens to ALOT of people. So that argument is invalid as it doesn't apply to only pvp.
3. "You’re working together in PVE content; it breeds being kind to each other." There are toxic players in PvE too. Tons of examples of this on the official forums, reddit, etc.
4. With the way FFXIV works, you'd probably not be able to spawnkill anything considering we always rez in sanctuaries, where as I said in the OP, is a safe zone.
5. No it's not only fun if you harass people. I am part of an active PvP LS on Tonberry. We only have players that wants to help each other, we cheer at eac hother and encourage everyone to try to climb in the feast. We feel sorry for each other having a bad match, if we rank down. We learn from one another and most of all, we don't promote bad mannering or harassment. If someone is a real a-hole, they are not welcome.

I don't think one area would bring those people at all. People who don't come to FFXIVs PvP, don't come here cause they think it sucks. An area wouldn't change that. But for those who play it, and love it (or just stick with it), I think we would really love a place like this. You can't say they shouldn't do anything just because you don't want to. It's not your game only. For example: Do you like glams? I don't. I think it's annoying when people run around in pretty outfits. Get those out of my MMO. Don't add any more glams because that would only bring in RPers and casuals. FULL DISCLOSURE: I DON'T ACTUALLY FEEL LIKE THIS. That was just an example. But do you see how selfish that sounds?

If you don't like PvP, you're more than welcome to say that in this thread, but don't continue to argue why we who love PvP shouldn't have more PvP stuff to do just because you don't like it. If you don't like it, fine. Don't actively try to prevent others from getting what they like.