Lets speak about Mentor's.

[dotsforlife]

Yes you're human, but it doesn't give you an excuse to be a jerk. We're all human. You would do well to remember that.

This can be said of sprouts with bad attitudes as well. Or any player in general for that matter. Neither side is blameless. Neither side has any sort of "expectations" they need to live up to aside from another players forced delusions.

It'd be nice if mentor's went into dungeons knowing they're more than likely going to have to be patient and busier than usual.

It'd also be nice if sprouts learned to read and accept instructions. Or at least communicate.

[Starflake]

Like its sprouts fault you ground out 2000 roulettes just for the mount and developed the worst attitude.... -.-

You don't have to be perfect, but uh.....this is proof you should not be a mentor.....Yes you're human, but it doesn't give you an excuse to be a jerk. We're all human. You would do well to remember that.

Nobody ever said that because I did 2000 mentor roulettes that I am entitled to anything. If you do mentor roulettes like a lot of mentors, then you encounter a lot of shitty and lazy people. You can be damn sure it forms mentor's their mentality and how they deal with it. Apparently, also as a mentor, you can't have nice things. Because when you complete 2000 mentor roulettes and have therefore helped 6000-12000 people with sometimes the most undesirable instances, you can't be a real mentor! Because you're not doing it from the bottom of your heart and only for the mount. People like you turn this into complete hyperbole and circus. Mentors are not nearly as bad as people claim and people who aren't mentors and sprouts are far worse.

[Joe777]

You can't get exp from Mentor Roulette as you can only queue for it on max level jobs with high enough ilevel for every duty in the roulette (and you must have cleared every duty in the roulette at least once as well). Presumably this is to stop people from purposely going on low level jobs to avoid harder duties.
The only reward for Mentors is a small amount of tomes once per day and credit towards the related achievements.

Frankly I think it would be better for the system if there were no rewards so only people interested in helping would queue but that would hurt the overall goal of the roulette to fill queues that have been waiting awhile.

Yeah my bad, forgot it'd be pointless if Mentor Roulette offered xp since some duties are max level lol so in this case "xp" would be tomes.

[Paladinleeds]

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To be fair, when I have that crown on, I feel like I have to be a paragon of infinite patience. Always ready to bend and kneel over to provide non-stop help to newbies while that crown is up, like it's a job I have to do perfectly or else. I rarely have my crown up as a result, but when I do, you bet I'm making sure I hold those values true. I get extremely angry at myself if I let those values falter even slightly while the crown is up.

[Ilan]

I find it interesting how you talk about how easy it is to become a mentor while also talking about how undesirable you apparently find it to level a DPS and Healer job to 60 in the same post, when every single "bad" mentor somehow managed to do it.
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What is your point? Only because someone has no desire to level dps or healers he is not allowed to judge bad mentors?

[ManuelBravo]

What is your point? Only because someone has no desire to level dps or healers he is not allowed to judge bad mentors?

That pretty much make sense. A mentor should be well rounded on how all roles work and shows better understanding. Sorry But I agree with Seig345 if you can't have a minim of 1 type of each role (tank / Healer / DPS ) you can't really be considered a DoW / DoM Mentor. If you don't even understand how the roles work how can you judge someone? It's like speaking on what you perceive and think people can do a better job without even knowing how the role works. There is one simple rule that people should follow if your not playing that role to a minimum 60 , really should be 70, you can speak. IF your below 60 you should really stay quiet. You really don't understand that role and your input is viewed as lol. Now a person who has 70 well geared on that role and gives proper logical points has more credit then some sprout/flower/ or even Vet who does not even have the job leveled. Anyone can judge a bad mentor I would only take their side if they at a minimum have that job leveled and their argument is logical enough to make sense.

The world is dumb enough DON'T ADD TO IT - Foamy

[NanaWiloh]

The Mentor icon is not an indication of how good a player is at the game. Its intended to convey ones willingness too share their experience and knowledge with a less experienced player. The ability to teach is a powerful tool in the right hands, and it is sad that there are players who abuse a system intended to teach for personal gain and status. In the end you don't need a fancy crown or title too teach someone, just the willingess too help others and enjoy doing it.

[Glenfiddich]

Self entitled asshats..

A Mentor speaking. Nobody has used such offended words in this thread so far. That's all you have to know about these folks.
I could have that super awesome crown that makes you so special (as you may think) for myself . But I know myself and I know how impatient I'm in some contents (Potd for example) and therefore I don't do it.
I don't want to be a bad example...there are enough of you out there.

[Ilan]

That pretty much make sense. A mentor should be well rounded on how all roles work and shows better understanding. Sorry But I agree with Seig345 if you can't have a minim of 1 type of each role (tank / Healer / DPS ) you can't really be considered a DoW / DoM Mentor. If you don't even understand how the roles work how can you judge someone? It's like speaking on what you perceive and think people can do a better job without even knowing how the role works. There is one simple rule that people should follow if your not playing that role to a minimum 60 , really should be 70, you can speak. IF your below 60 you should really stay quiet. You really don't understand that role and your input is viewed as lol. Now a person who has 70 well geared on that role and gives proper logical points has more credit then some sprout/flower/ or even Vet who does not even have the job leveled. Anyone can judge a bad mentor I would only take their side if they at a minimum have that job leveled and their argument is logical enough to make sense.

The world is dumb enough DON'T ADD TO IT - Foamy

So a player is not qualified to see if someone plays bad just because he didn't level the classes, very interesting. A tank can see if a healer or dps is bad very easy btw. Not to mention that you don't have to level different roles to see if someone fails doing mechanics or if they have bad behavior.

But its cool if you want to defend mentors that way. Good luck defending them with that reason when i or several others confirm what the OP wrote.

[HyoMinPark]

First. If you are "grabbing" a Quest you are automatically dismounted.
And when you are reading the dialogue you are facing the NPC. He was looking away from the NPC...
Second: Like I wrote. He was there for a minimum of 3 Minutes
Third: Did you even read what I wrote? I wrote that he was hovering in a way so you could not see the Quest mark. He blocked him.

I did read what you wrote. You said he hovered. You never explicitly stated that he had parked his mount on top of the quest giver (in fact, you never said he was on a mount at all—something people reading your comment would have to infer, and inferences can be incorrect); you never said that he was facing away from the NPC. Without all of the appropriate details, how are any of us supposed to draw an accurate conclusion? Provide more details if you want what you said to be more clear.

Even so, you sounded as if what he’d done was the absolute worst thing an individual could do. There are far worse things. Your other examples were more in line with what “bad mentors” do, but this one was questionable and unclear, at best. If it was that big of a deal, you know you could have reported him, and GMs would have made his character go poof, right? They did that a lot back when PotD was first released and people were parking the Behemoth mount on top of the Wood Wailer—a mount far larger than the flying chair (I’m assuming that’s the mount he was using, since you referenced him wanting to show off the chair he was riding in a later comment).

Perhaps you should take a step away and calm down a bit, because it seems like you got way too upset about me asking for confirmation and clarification of your story.

You talk about the hostility of mentors, but your entire post was unbelievably hostile...

A Mentor speaking. Nobody has used such offended words in this thread so far. That's all you have to know about these folks.
I could have that super awesome crown that makes you so special (as you may think) for myself . But I know myself and I know how impatient I'm in some contents (Potd for example) and therefore I don't do it.
I don't want to be a bad example...there are enough of you out there.

Crown or no crown, you still aren’t being a good example with these sort of sweeping generalizations. Not all mentors are bad; not all of them are jerks. A lot of them, I’m sure, are tired of being lumped in with the poorer excuses for mentors. I know I am.