Lets speak about Mentor's.

[BillyKaplan]

So you're definition of a mentor is someone who will only help others if the reward is worth your time?

I mentored before I got the crown. I still mentor despite not running the roulette since SB.

c:

As for what you said about Mentor Roulette, well, that can apply to any roulette to be frank.

If you think SE put in the mentor roulette for anything other than filling queues, you're a bit delusional. The entire system was one clever scheme to help fill queues, and honestly I don't see myself running the damned thing after I get the mount. If I see any first timer parties in PF, I might queue. But I have better things to do with my time than queue blind into any Ex trial with a pug. And it is my Mentor advice that people should avoid doing that in the first place, being over geared can only get you so far when you're synced down and the fight still has horrible mechanics like Shiva's arrow mode. And most of the people who queue into that and get Mentors in there are on-level, and on-gear if not undergeared to boot.

However, it doesn't change the fact that Mentor Roulette queues you for what it does with the potential intent to help others clear it.

I'm sure the 3 other almost-all-70s leveling alt jobs I ended up in a hest with are desperate for my assistance.

[Joe777]

If you think SE put in the mentor roulette for anything other than filling queues, you're a bit delusional.

Tell yourself it's purely for filling queues all you want, but then you'll have to explain why Square Enix keeps Mentor Roulette as is despite people using it dropping out of EX Trials the moment they land in them simply because they want the mount or easy experience/whatever other rewards they may or may not be after and the fact not all mentors drop out and actually stick it out, at least for awhile. You call it delusional, I call it obvious. Have fun with that opinion, though.

[BillyKaplan]

Tell yourself it's purely for filling queues all you want, but then you'll have to explain why Square Enix keeps Mentor Roulette as is despite people using it dropping out of EX Trials the moment they land in them

That same argument can really debunk saying it's to help the people in there. Cuz people who do that aren't exactly helping that clear along, meanwhile the queue most certainly popped, didn't it. But at the end of the day, Mentors are just players who are entitled to dropping out of a duty as soon as it pops, regardless of the Strong Feelings people have about that.

[Kisagami]

I think it depends on the server. Siren has had nothing but kind and honest mentors who actually help people. I even have one who constantly sends me new HQ weapons as I level up. So, really, it’s your servers issue for the most part.

[Joe777]

That same argument can really debunk saying it's to help the people in there. Cuz people who do that aren't exactly helping that clear along, meanwhile the queue most certainly popped, didn't it. But at the end of the day, Mentors are just players who are entitled to dropping out of a duty as soon as it pops, regardless of the Strong Feelings people have about that.

Which is precisely how you can tell who is in it for only the rewards and their own selfish desires and who is actually willing to help others get the clear, which in turn helps themselves get the clear too. And yes, I put it that way because all players, regardless of having a crown or not, do things for a reason and if they have no reason to do it they won't.

[Ssmiley_Bjakkzz]

Hellluuuuuu mentor

[Ilan]

It's easy to say to change the requirements, but what are they supposed to change it to? Currently the only thing I can think is a viable change would be to raise it to 70 for all battle roles instead of the current 60 requirement and properly separate the battle mentor from the DoL/DoH mentor. That should be a a start. But other than that, what we have already -
Complete the relevant quest for one job in each role, so you'll know at least the basics of each role.
Run such and such dungeons to show you know how to play the game.
Such and such commendations which might as well be up to RNG with how erratic it is.

Alongside raising the level requirement and the split, about the only thing I can think of doing is making it so that unsynced runs don't count towards your dungeon count. But that's about it.

First of all there should be a test to see if the player, who wants to become a pve mentor, knows what he is doing because no one needs a mentor who can't even play a simple mechanic right. For pvp and crafting mentors should be a similar test.

Second there should be a rating system for mentors what revokes the mentor rights if a mentor is to often rated negativ.

Yes it can be abused but how it is at the moment is worse.

[Glenfiddich]

I’m sorry, but how is this a mentor being “incapable”, “arrogant”, or “incapable”? Maybe he was grabbing his daily quests as well? Or maybe he AFK’d for a moment in front of the NPC? Maybe he was reading the dialogue? Just because he’s standing near the Quest NPC doesn’t mean you can’t get the quests too. Unless he had parked his mount on top of him like people did with the Wood Wailer when PotD first released, I don’t really see how this is inconsiderate behavior....

First. If you are "grabbing" a Quest you are automatically dismounted.
And when you are reading the dialogue you are facing the NPC. He was looking away from the NPC...
Second: Like I wrote. He was there for a minimum of 3 Minutes
Third: Did you even read what I wrote? I wrote that he was hovering in a way so you could not see the Quest mark. He blocked him.

[Rymm]

First. If you are "grabbing" a Quest you are automatically dismounted.
And when you are reading the dialogue you are facing the NPC. He was looking away from the NPC...
Second: Like I wrote. He was there for a minimum of 3 Minutes
Third: Did you even read what I wrote? I wrote that he was hovering in a way so you could not see the Quest mark. He blocked him.

Wow, 3 whole minutes.

Honestly, it sounds a bit like confirmation bias on your part. Someone parked on a quest giver for a couple of minutes is an inconvenience and yes, a little inconsiderate. But due to your obvious dislike of mentors as soon as you saw the crown you made the jump from something mildly annoying and possibly an unintentional mistake to something maliciously intended and purposefully directed at you and anyone else inconvenienced by it. Given the scanty evidence it's impossible to tell which was the case. Had he not had a crown would you have been more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt? Would you have been more willing to simply let it go rather than letting it gnaw on you like it obviously has been since you are still sore about it?

Some players are jerks. A lot are good people. Some are mentors. Some are not. All of those aspects overlap each other, but none of them constitute the entirety of any other group. Judge people on their behavior, not what symbol they may or may not have next to their name.

Tangentially related, if you hold down X (if you are on PC,) it allows you to click through other players to interact with NPCs or other items in the world. Hope that helps you should a similar situation arise in the future.

[Tridus]

Mentor roulette rewards need to go away. The number of people using it strictly to try and get stuff that bail if it's not an easy clear is pitiful. Defeats the entire point of the mentor system and mostly makes mentors look bad (which is a shame for the actually useful ones).