Just because DRK cleared ultimate first doesn't mean it doesn't need buffs

[Awful]

WAR: Super offensive with minimal defenses and utility. Trades lots of defenses and utility for much more DPS gains. Excels as OT in farm parties, not so great in prog.

What...are you smoking? Seriously I want some of that because in HW they sacrificed their buffs like Vengeance and RI to get more stacks now they don't, you also don't know how War works if you're saying they suck in prog War is the tank that universally excels in all compositions.

[Ekimmak]

What...are you smoking? Seriously I want some of that because in HW they sacrificed their buffs like Vengeance and RI to get more stacks now they don't, you also don't know how War works if you're saying they suck in prog War is the tank that universally excels in all compositions.

I will say that WAR has the least defence against O2S, since practically every attack that matters cannot be parried, so RI is objectively useless. And they can wipe the raid if Inner Release is up during the Long Drop for tanks/healers.

Honestly just nitpicking, though. WAR is in a pretty good spot.

[Awful]

I will say that WAR has the least defence against O2S, since practically every attack that matters cannot be parried, so RI is objectively useless. And they can wipe the raid if Inner Release is up during the Long Drop for tanks/healers.

Honestly just nitpicking, though. WAR is in a pretty good spot.

RI isn't useless you can use it in Shake it Off making it strong for the Gravitational Waves, using it as a defensive CD yeah it loses it's usefulness in TBs but those are easily mitigated, and a good War knows not to use Inner Release during the long drop and it can save you too if it's up if you mess up too so it's still really good.

So really Wars toolkit still shits allover Drks as they bring more tools and damage there's literally no reason to bring a Drk over a War for the 2nd spot and that's the whole problem with the tank balance which has been expressed many times in this thread.

[Claire_Pendragon]

I will say that WAR has the least defence against O2S

I know its nitpicking, but they have the same option a DRK has.
-20% dmg taken + 20% hp.
(1 GCD and 1 oGCD)

the difference being WAR needs the hp healed, but can get into tank stance quicker, but has a slight DPS loss relying on IB.
(Of course they still have Holmgang, which is always under estimated with its short CD)

[SyzzleSpark]

OP's in-their-dreams niches are way too broad.

"The DPS tank", "The Prog Tank", "The Farm Tank" and "The Mitigation Tank" are not niches, those are entire markets on which no job has any business owning a monopoly, nor are these what we mean when DRK players ask to have a proper niche. Nothing so big as these, but also nothing so small as "that tank that has Dark Mind".

One button does not a niche make, and it also doesn't absolve the job of all of its many design flaws that have been present since 3.0. The difference is in 3.0 these were balanced out by considerable power in other areas. Literally all we are asking for is to get that power back. We weren't OP or unbalanced with that power in HW, we wouldn't be in SB either. SB took most of that away, and then buffed the other tanks, exacerbating the gap between them.

-NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE IT UNABLE TO CLEAR CONTENT!
-But enough to make the job inferior, and unfun to a LOT of people.
-And historically, this is enough to warrant changes.
-In fact, in a majority of cases, this is all that it took.

I see that there are people out there that are completely capable of understanding what we are asking for. So I know its possible.
Its not hard.
It really comes down to simply listening and not straw-manning every word that comes out of our mouths, or shouting us down and gaslighting us with "yeah you need some little tweaks but you're pretty well balanced" - no, we're not. Furthermore nobody EVER says what they mean by "little tweaks". Sometimes they mean a lot of really small buffs, which would be fine. Other people mean "just buff DP and then its fine". One could fix things, the other is no different from adding another 10 potency to Souleater or Bloodspiller.


We would like to be balanced. But we aren't. And wanting to be balanced does NOT = wanting homogenization or carbon copies of every toy that PLD/WAR has, and it also does not = believing that we are entirely unplayable or unable to clear content. But this is how we've been portrayed in the last week in particular, and it is supremely frustrating to be this misconstrued and misinterpreted by the community on top of being unable to get a response from SE acknowledging our feedback.