Built-in Parsers

[Miste]

most are more pleasent then ppl like you.

You are the one who is being rude, so honestly I find it funny you talk about people being "pleasant" when you certainly aren't being so.

you got stuff to back up your statement? proof im false cuz all I see is "what ifs" you not giving full details to your hyperbole.

The proof is in the game itself. If you played end game in FFXIV for longer than 10 mins you would know that a statement like "all mistakes are recoverable" and "no game content has a no win scenario" are false. You would also know that some mechanics in this game can cause wipes if even just one person fails it.

Yes, sometimes mistakes are recoverable, but depending on the mistake and how much of an impact it has some mistakes are not feasibly recoverable by the majority of players and some situations are 100% not recoverable at all.

i actually do said content jusy not at the moment, and i skipped alexander S because it simply wasn't my thing. I'm ps4 and tbh, never wiped my pt. so please.. grow up and stop being an E. never in mmo is 1 person at fault for 8 ppl dying. everyone has their fair share in the blame, no matter what "examples" you try to use, you are missing details on how/why that even happen. just pointing out the end result.

Which is what you guys like doing, making examples but leaving details out.

such as did anyone communicate a strategy? Did anyone give tanks a heads up on what to mitigate, and roughly around when? (fights are scripted by hp%)

You want some actual mechanic proof?

O4S Allagan Field mechanic. If the person with field stands in the wrong spot (close to Neo and not in the back of the line for the wild charge) it will explode and wipe the entire raid. ONE player can cause this to happen if they fail the mechanic. Allagan Field has been around since coil as well and if I remember correctly it behaved the same way. The person with the field had to avoid damage otherwise it would explode and kill everyone.

O2S. Bomb mechanic. 4 designated players must levitate and get blown back to different cardinal directions otherwise the raid gets hit by a room wide AoE that one shots anything that isn't a tank. If one DPS player fails this mechanic it will kill both of your healers and if you have no RDM or SMN in your party composition then you are dead since no one can raise the healers. Very no win scenario right here.

A12S Temporal Stasis. Again 4 players are marked with area bombs similar to O2S. If one DPS does not move to their designated spot they can single handedly kill both of your healers and result in a non recoverable no win scenario if you had no SMN to even attempt to raise your healers (ignoring RDM since RDM didn't exist in HW when A12S was current content)

A11S last phase towers. A single player can put their circle AoE on the tower when they aren't supposed to. You require at least one tower still up to survive. If all towers get destroyed the battlefield immediately collapses killing the entire raid. A single player can accidentally break the towers.

Communicating a strategy doesn't somehow make people immune to mistakes so I don't even get what you are trying to say here. Mistakes happen even when people know the entire fight.

Also...you've "never" wiped a party highly likely means either A) you obviously haven't done savage much at all (or even general endgame content O.o) OR B) you are blind to your own mistakes and/or don't want to accept the blame for your own mistakes when you are the cause of a wipe. You want to pretend that there are always others to share the blame with in order to make yourself feel better. Sometimes the blame is shared this is true, but sometimes the fault can lie with one player depending on the circumstances.

Believe me I have single handedly wiped a group before due to my own mistake and the times where it was 100% my fault alone it was one person who wiped the group: me. I don't live in lala land and pretend I can never make mistakes and cause wipes in a raid. I failed the Allagan Field mechanic in O4S where it was fatal. Wiped the entire group and it was entirely my fault for forgetting what to do. In ExDeath also the Fire III mechanic me and my boyfriend (who is the other healer) have killed each other with the Fire III. Both healers dead and no one to raise them = no win scenario = wipe, and I caused it by forgetting not to move too early and end up too close to him during that mechanic. 100% my fault and my fault alone.

So no Hyomin is not an "E" just because she countered your claims and clarified they are false. Is that like the go to whenever someone comes across an argument they cannot find a way to counter or something? "Oh I have no idea how to counter their argument so I'll just call them elitist and tell them to grow up". Like...really???

May want to stop cherry picking my posts and actually read/consider what i actually said.

No, you need to start listening to what others are telling you. More than three people now have been telling you what you are claiming is false. So yes, you do not know what you are talking about if you think that one player cannot cause a wipe by themselves. Even the O2S scenario I mentioned another poster told you about it already earlier in the thread, yet you conveniently ignored it. I wonder why you ignored it...hmm maybe because it quite obviously proves you are incorrect?

Treating it like a job isn't necessarily meaning putting in long hours, though if you raid I really doubt raiders are putting in less than 15-20 on the game total per week, and maybe more. It means you view it in the same ways you view work and talk about it like work. Your concern is with performance, compensation, attendance, giving proper notice when leaving, relative status, and people not pulling their weight.

How can you make assumptions like this on how everyone views raiding? Just because I raid I must view it like work? Just because I play a certain amount of hours I must view it like work?

I raid and I do not treat it like a job. Some players in my static and past statics play less than 15-20 per week; including myself on some occasions.

How can you tell me what my concerns are just because I raid? I mean...can you read the minds of all the raiders in this game? I doubt it. Your generalizations are pointless.

[BigRed5392]

im not being rude, jusy pointing out missing details

did anyone in the group notify people that standing in said spot can kill people? no? group fault.

you guys are missing a lot of details in your explains such as planning before hand, run/strat explination, leadership. Which is part of doing endgame content. If people fail at doing this stuff they are part of the fault for the mistakes of others.

how are people missing this part.

3 ppl cherry picking posts is really nothing. nor proof i "don't know what im talking about" I did endgame in ff11 for 4 years before this type of toxic environment with parser/third party tools killed it.

I very much know what im talking about, you guys are looking at semantics while leaving out details. Each member has a job to do, a role to play. A leader still needs to be a leader and communicate. And take responsibility, if a run fails. The leader is suppose to organize, communicate, discuss the plan of attack. If the runs plan goes south, everyone is at fault.

A group is a unit, not separate pieces. Pointing fingers is childish. Even if you didn't kill the group, you just are much responsible for not doing your part in the communication for the run. you was a member of that group, you are part of that group, and should take responsibility. Pointing fingers isn't being a good team member.


@ thread

everyone here really should stop the vendetta against me as imo i did nothing wrong, but give my opinion on the matter. And say my beliefs.

but honestly, i never stated i hate parser, never stated no one should use them

all i stated was you don't need to use a parser to be good. all i stated was everyone in the group is/should be responsible if a run goes south. Mostly because that's the truth. If you don't act like a team, you won't beat content.

acting like a team does include communication before a run, make sure people know what to do. Know where to stand. Use markers, macros with speech text to impotent skills (raise/voke/ect) If you just jump into content expecting a win, you are part of the groups issue if runs go south. You gotta make sure people are on the same page before you start. A leader who doesn't do this is just as much fault, as the person who stood in fire. Who is just as much fault as the healer who refused to raise them out of spite.

and the smile faces are letting ppl know im not being nasty/angry. That im trying to be pleasant. this post is gonna get cherry picked to hell so, ya not expecting much after this. lol

[HyoMinPark]

did anyone in the group notify people that standing in said spot can kill people? no? group fault.

Are you serious? If we are talking about anything other than a 100% blind run—talking about something where people are doing weekly clears for loot/chests—then every member should know the mechanics. So those with Unstable Gravity for V2S should know to 1. Levitate, and 2. Move to their assigned spot after Antilight goes off so they are knocked back away from the rest of the group. And trust me, after one wipe in a learning/clear party to Unstable Gravity, people very much so make it known what was done wrong. If it’s done wrong again, that is blatant ignoring of the mechanic on the behalf of the person who killed half of the raid. And the more they continue to not correct it, the more at fault they become.

you guys are missing a lot of details in your explains such as planning before hand, run/strat explination, leadership. Which is part of doing endgame content. If people fail at doing this stuff they are part of the fault for the mistakes of others.

Most statics read/watch guides on mechanics unless they are doing 100% blind runs. And most give explanations after each failed mechanic so that they don’t fail it again. If we are talking about farm groups in PF, then people joining farm parties should have knowledge of all mechanics in a fight so that they don’t wipe the entire group.

And sometimes a person knows and just fails to pay attention, or moves too soon and screws over the entire group. They are still the one at fault, even if they admit it or don’t admit it. This isn’t finger pointing—it’s taking responsibility for one’s actions. You keep telling us to “grow up”, well, that is being a grown-up: taking responsibility when you are the one at fault rather than forcing the other 7 players to share it. Because it’s not their fault you moved too early and got clipped, or failed to pay attention to the marker over your head and dropped the bad on the rest of the party.

how are people missing this part.

We aren’t missing anything. How are you missing everything we’re saying against your “arguments”? Other than by blatantly ignoring them?

3 ppl cherry picking posts is really nothing. nor proof i "don't know what im talking about" I did endgame in ff11 for 4 years before this type of toxic environment with parser/third party tools killed it.

Do I need to define “cherry picking” for you as well? Providing the examples you so demanded is not “cherry picking.” Some people have replied to your posts in full—the exact opposite of cherry picking. Just because some choose to not repeat themselves when you repeat yourself doesn’t mean that they are cherry picking, or if someone else has already addressed the flaw.

Also, this is not FFXI. They tried to make FFXIV like FFXI, and look what happened to it. Stop using your experience in other MMOs to try and give yourself experience in this one. That’s like applying for a job at a hospital and saying, “Well, I’ve never worked in a hospital, but I did work in a veterinary clinic, so I’m experienced in working in a hospital.” Not the same thing.

I very much know what im talking about, you guys are looking at semantics while leaving out details. Each member has a job to do, a role to play. A leader still needs to be a leader and communicate. And take responsibility, if a run fails. The leader is suppose to organize, communicate, discuss the plan of attack. If the runs plan goes south, everyone is at fault.

A group is a unit, not separate pieces. Pointing fingers is childish. Even if you didn't kill the group, you just are much responsible for not doing your part in the communication for the run. you was a member of that group, you are part of that group, and should take responsibility. Pointing fingers isn't being a good team member.

Do you? Because I really don’t think that you do. You’re trying to blame the party for the tank not mitigating tankbusters, or for one member failing a mechanic that takes out half the group, like V2S’ Unstable Gravity. That is not the fault of the other 7 individuals, but the fault of the player that screwed up the mechanic. And they need to take responsibility for their mistakes. That is part of being in a group, rather than expecting everyone to just hold their hand and “be okay with it” when they continue to make the same mistake, especially after it’s pointed out to them; because, since you are so knowledgable, you should know PF groups on NA data centers are extremely good at pointing out failed mechanics and mistakes.

And if we’re talking about something like a farm party, why is it the leader’s responsibility to hold a player’s hand if they keep messing up mechanics in a FARM PARTY WHERE THEY SHOULD ALREADY KNOW THE MECHANICS? The inexperienced person has no business in a farm party if they don’t know the mechanics; they are the only one at fault for failing the mechanics and wiping the group. Because they have no business being in there, and it’s not the job of PUGs to hold the hand of one PUG that refuses to learn.

If a person doesn’t know a mechanic, then they should speak up, and people will usually explain it to them. If they don’t speak up, again, that is their fault. They didn’t know, didn’t seek any help, and when it wipes the group, there is no one to blame but that one individual for failing to clarify something they were unsure on.

Sigh. Answer me this. Does your static have the following things?

-an attendance policy
-punishments for poor performance, including discipline and even dismissal if the person doesn't change or meet standards
-various requirements to get hired, including aninterview process and background check
-an expectation you don't work for others, i.e. run the raid or get clears with other people

Surprise! Games generally don't have these things, unless the game itself is work (i.e. professional sports)

It's even worse in other games, where you literally get pay, i.e. dkp and gold, and seniority (people longer in the group get priority on drops). But if you've raided for a bit and are thoughtful, the parallels are there. And a lot of the skills you need to run a successful static are simple management skills you use in business daily. It has nothing to do with enjoyment or not.

What. Just...what.

Just because statics expect their members to actually show up when they’ve set aside time for them to all get together and run the content, pull their weight, and not be flaky and/or screw up loot by clearing with randoms or other people does not directly equate “raiding” to “working” like one would at a job, nor does it make this game “less of a game”. This is the most bizarre statement I’ve seen in this thread, and I have seen plenty.

If you don’t like to raid, then don’t. Nobody forces anyone to raid, or participate in content they don’t want to do.

[Vaer]

If the runs plan goes south, everyone is at fault.

Yeah, no. In certain hard fights 7 people can play perfectly and the 1 man out could make a mistake and cause a group wipe.

This is like blaming the other 2 parties in 24 mans that killed their add and did everything perfectly in add+prison mechanics (recent example, Rofocale) in any of the 24 mans for a wipe caused by the 3rd party that couldn't stay alive or get in their box to actually kill their add, causing the boss ult bar to hit 100/failing dps check and wiping the entire raid. Unless I'm crazy, I'm pretty sure that most of the fault lies with the party that didn't kill their add.

In Shin EX, bad tail placement can just cause an immediate wipe. If someone puts the tail on the wrong spot and wipes the group, is it everyone else's fault?

[Dualgunner]

did anyone in the group notify people that standing in said spot can kill people? no? group fault.

Gave you like 8 scenarios earlier; Bourne gave a few more.

you guys are missing a lot of details in your explains such as planning before hand, run/strat explination, leadership. Which is part of doing endgame content. If people fail at doing this stuff they are part of the fault for the mistakes of others.

I'm gonna redirect you to the point from earlier.

how are people missing this part.

Because personal responsibility is a thing. Sorry you can't handle that fact.

3 ppl cherry picking posts is really nothing.

I hope you're not talking about me too. Quoting entire posts of yours and responding piece by piece is the opposite of cherry picking.

And yet you've yet to directly respond. Which is kind of a microcosm of the whole problem when you think about it: you have a preconceived notion of reality and ignore anything that contradicts that.

nor proof i "don't know what im talking about" I did endgame in ff11 for 4 years before this type of toxic environment with parser/third party tools killed it.

You're right: I don't have proof. But I'll give you this: You either haven't done the content and don't know what you're talking about, you've been blissfully unaware of being carried, or you're maliciously lying.

Also:

this type of toxic environment with parser/third party tools killed it.

You've now said parsers are bad. I will quote this every time you say "But I never said parsers are bad!" Might even stick it in my sig to drive a point home.

I very much know what im talking about, you guys are looking at semantics while leaving out details.

1. No clue what you're talking about because you haven't done it
2. No clue what you're talking about because of unaware carries
3. Malicious liar

Just because you're ignoring the details doesn't mean they aren't there.

Each member has a job to do, a role to play.

Agreed. It's not a DPS' fault when a tank doesn't mitigate a tankbuster, or a healer's fault when DPS stand in everything. It's not the pitcher's fault when the outfielders can't catch a popfly, nor is it the third baseman's fault when the first baseman fumbles with the ball. It's not the people in the box's fault when the person up to bat misses.

A leader still needs to be a leader and communicate. The leader is suppose to organize, communicate, discuss the plan of attack.

Who is the leader of a pug?

If the runs plan goes south, everyone is at fault.

Factually incorrect. I will not stop calling you out on it.

A group is a unit, not separate pieces. Pointing fingers is childish. Even if you didn't kill the group, you just are much responsible for not doing your part in the communication for the run. you was a member of that group, you are part of that group, and should take responsibility. Pointing fingers isn't being a good team member.

"Hey X, I noticed you aren't keeping up straight shot through the fight. It would greatly benefit your damage and help us over the enrage hurdle if you did that."

"Screw off Y, why doesn't everyone else just do more damage? We're all responsible for the damage."

"That's true, but we're all >2000 dps greater than you and maybe you could pick it up."

"No."

"Okay listen I am your leader and you will list--"

"Screw you Y, you aren't leader of dirt. This is a raid finder team."

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Yes?

everyone here really should stop the vendetta against me as imo i did nothing wrong, but give my opinion on the matter. And say my beliefs.

You put your ideas out into the open marketplace. Don't be surprised when they're rebuffed.

but honestly, i never stated i hate parser, never stated no one should use them

this type of toxic environment with parser/third party tools killed it.

all i stated was you don't need to use a parser to be good.

Nobody argued that point. We don't need healthbars to be good either.

all i stated was everyone in the group is/should be responsible if a run goes south. Mostly because that's the truth. If you don't act like a team, you won't beat content.

You're both right and wrong. You need to act like a team, but part of being a team is being the best member you can possibly be. You're also assuming everybody who runs raids does so in a static: they do not. Raid Finder and Party Finder exist for a reason.

acting like a team does include communication before a run, make sure people know what to do. Know where to stand. Use markers, macros with speech text to impotent skills (raise/voke/ect)

And what do you do when people just do not get it, and do not improve, no matter how hard the group tries?

If you just jump into content expecting a win, you are part of the groups issue if runs go south. You gotta make sure people are on the same page before you start. A leader who doesn't do this is just as much fault, as the person who stood in fire. Who is just as much fault as the healer who refused to raise them out of spite.

Sorry, but no. If you sign on for a farm group, you'd better know all of this without needing more than a few words of greeting. Personal responsibility, Red.

and the smile faces are letting ppl know im not being nasty/angry. That im trying to be pleasant.

Your actions and namecalling toward HyoMin let us know in a far more potent and real way that you're being petty. The smileys do not help, sorry to say. HyoMin, without an emoticon in sight, has been far more pleasant than you.

this post is gonna get cherry picked to hell so, ya not expecting much after this. lol

You're welcome again. Your entire post, dissected and responded to piece by piece. Before I go though...

this type of toxic environment with parser/third party tools killed it.

[MoroMurasaki]

epic post is epic

Is it inappropriate to be the tiniest bit in love with you after this post?