Sch Fairy Revision Ideas

[Kabzy]

I will never not be entertained by this meme that having the highest potency regens in the game for zero MP, 100% uptime, and no GCD investment is "weak", especially on the non-HoT focused healer.

This is a simple case of you failing to see the entire kit of the job then. And also how the job actually functions, or ‘should’ function.

It’s a pet job, a good portion of our power should come from our pet. Generally nobody is asking for buffs here, all people have asked for is for Selene to be made relevant. And I clearly stated that if they would buff Embrace to make the Faeries more potent, another part of our kit would need to be nerfed.

[Jukebox12]

This is a silly argument though. Firstly, SCH has the hardest time with mana anyway. You can argue that AST has weaker MP refresh, but they also have much less mana usage in the first place. And secondly the whole point in us having weaker heals is because of the Faerie.

Given that Cleric Stance doesn\\'t penalise the other healers anymore, there was literally no reason for the Faerie to get nerfed again. And before people argue about Eos solo healing everything, it\\'s irrelevant to talk about job balance based on overgeared fights.

How are you having problems with mp

[Sylvain]

Slyvain picking eos would be safety in Duty Roulette where you can safely do healing while assisting in dps with people you don't know, and if you say then don't do duty roulette isn't that just sad because there are some people like to help help strangers do dungeons and selene would be used in advanced group to clear faster and boss battles. Like I said third fairy is just a wish for fun solo.

This is exactly what I said. Pug only
I'm all for a moogle skin tho

[Kabzy]

How are you having problems with mp

I didn't at any point state that I was having problems with MP. But when you're constantly playing through savage fights and using Miasma II to weave in oGCDs, you'll notice that you actually do need to somewhat manage your MP. Unlike the other two jobs which do just fine if no resses have to be thrown out. Add that with the fact that our kit is generally more expensive, you do need to watch your MP bar every now and then.

I'm not saying it's a dire situation on SCH, it's really not. But once again you have to look at the entire kit of the job, you can't just compare one thing with another.

[Cynfael]

This is a simple case of you failing to see the entire kit of the job then. And also how the job actually functions, or ‘should’ function.

It’s a pet job, a good portion of our power should come from our pet. Generally nobody is asking for buffs here, all people have asked for is for Selene to be made relevant. And I clearly stated that if they would buff Embrace to make the Faeries more potent, another part of our kit would need to be nerfed.

I have to agree. Back in SCH's golden age (late 2.x particularly comes to mind), the faerie was strong enough that its inherent disadvantages of occasionally contrary pet AI and need for constant micromanagement to be as effective as possible were more of an acceptable check on its power level.

At this point SE has obviously been shifting more of the healing power away from the pet and back to the SCH's actions, which is a legitimate design decision, but it does raise the question of what can or should be done to keep the pet kit feeling fun and relevant. Personally I was okay with having fewer intrinsic healing options and managing my pet's relatively strong abilities to make up for it, but since AST's introduction it has been deemed that each healer needs to be able to do nearly everything, and the faerie has been both deliberately nerfed and overtaken by power creep. While the faerie is obviously still useful (even though Selene does need help), it feels increasingly more like a gimmick than it does a vital part of the SCH kit

[NobleWinter]

Has anyone ever successfully used Silent Dusk to Silence anything? Sometimes I have seen it work on a enemy in a mob when I leave her on Sic but it doesn't even seem practical to try and use that ability as a real mitigation tool. Giving Selene a burst heal like Medica just seems so much more useful. It would obviously be less powerful than Whispering Dawn and if it could be synced with Rouse this fairy would be perfect. It just feels really dangerous to lose so much healing potential in Eos kit for a lackluster Silence and fancy Esuna from Selene.

[Cynfael]

Has anyone ever successfully used Silent Dusk to Silence anything? Sometimes I have seen it work on a enemy in a mob when I leave her on Sic but it doesn't even seem practical to try and use that ability as a real mitigation tool. Giving Selene a burst heal like Medica just seems so much more useful. It would obviously be less powerful than Whispering Dawn and if it could be synced with Rouse this fairy would be perfect. It just feels really dangerous to lose so much healing potential in Eos kit for a lackluster Silence and fancy Esuna from Selene.

I recall using her to silence the odd mechanic in 2.x raids, but it was never really needed. If it was that important to silence the target, you usually had another player with a silencing action of their own, which was preferable to wrestling with pet lack of responsiveness.

Her silence seems to be more consistent if you leave her on Sic, but A) Sic is the devil and robs you of a ton of healing output since you can't manually control Embrace outside of Obey and B) she will almost never manage to silence anything that matters and will gleefully blow her CD on targets that cannot be silenced, anyway.

[Brandedblade]

While I do agree that Selene needs some sort of edge to justify using her over Eos, I think its far to easy to tip the scale the other way and thats not healthy, even SMN has the option of choosing their pet based on party comp. The only thing i feel comfortable with would be to changing Silent Dusk to something that would justify using her, like say a Physical Damage defense buff.

[Riyshn]

Has anyone ever successfully used Silent Dusk to Silence anything? Sometimes I have seen it work on a enemy in a mob when I leave her on Sic but it doesn't even seem practical to try and use that ability as a real mitigation tool. Giving Selene a burst heal like Medica just seems so much more useful. It would obviously be less powerful than Whispering Dawn and if it could be synced with Rouse this fairy would be perfect. It just feels really dangerous to lose so much healing potential in Eos kit for a lackluster Silence and fancy Esuna from Selene.

Um... once in A6S; Blaster. I think. I started that fight with Selene into a Dissipation swap when Brawler went into his second phase, and one of the times our BRD used his silence early. We were never entirely sure if I managed the silence or if our MNK managed to get Arm of the Destroyer off in time.