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  1. #11
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    Kabz Il
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    Alchemist Lv 90
    "The sunlight of Eos doth soothe and shield."
    "The moonlight of Selene doth silence and strengthen."

    We kind of have this right now, except the latter is a little underwhelming. Eos soothes with Whispering Dawn, shields with Fey Covenant and brings utility via Fey Illumination. Meanwhile Selene can Silence, strengthens with Fey Wind and has utility in the form of an AoE Esuna.

    I actually think they could keep Selene relevant as she is by doing the following. Buff Fey Wind to 5% and maybe give Silent Dusk a stun effect as well. If they change Embrace to an instant cast (as many people have already mentioned), it would actually make using this ability relatively easy and effective. Fey Caress is usually not needed, but there have been times in casual content where it can prove useful. This move could potentially be changed, but it's not terrible.

    The main change would need to be to Dissipation. If it actually allows a penalty-free instant Faerie swap, it makes both Faeries viable while also marginally increasing the skill ceiling of the job. As with everything in this game, if there is one slot available people will figure out what the best is and stick with it. The Faeries are no exception to this rule. Incorporating a swap mechanic that allows you to utilise what both Faeries have to offer in different parts of a fight will not only make the job more engaging, but actually mitigate the irrelevance that Selene currently has. And the best part is that she doesn't need to be buffed to God tier to shine. There simply would be no reason not to use them both in a fight.
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    Elyann Shukumi
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    Summoner Lv 80
    Here is what I'd change:

    Eos
    - changing Fey Covenant from "increases magic defense by 20%" to "increase defense by 10%" ( not all mobs deal magic damage )

    Selene
    - change Silent Dusk to a +5% slow aoe skill ( stacking with shadowflare )
    - reduce caress cooldown to 40-35 seconds
    - empower Fey Wind to 5%

    Both
    - empower embrace from a 250 heal potency skill to a 300-350 one ( physick has a 400 heal potency and we know how "not so useful" it is endgame wise , fairies now heal for about 3 k hp , physick for 8 k....tanks have about 45+ k hp , healers have about 35...a 3 k heal , even though it can be added to your main spell, is not useful and the addition feels unpractical ).
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    Juke Fm
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    Behemoth
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    Dark Knight Lv 73
    Quote Originally Posted by Elyann View Post
    Here is what I'd change:

    Eos
    - changing Fey Covenant from "increases magic defense by 20%" to "increase defense by 10%" ( not all mobs deal magic damage )

    Selene
    - change Silent Dusk to a +5% slow aoe skill ( stacking with shadowflare )
    - reduce caress cooldown to 40-35 seconds
    - empower Fey Wind to 5%

    Both
    - empower embrace from a 250 heal potency skill to a 300-350 one ( physick has a 400 heal potency and we know how "not so useful" it is endgame wise , fairies now heal for about 3 k hp , physick for 8 k....tanks have about 45+ k hp , healers have about 35...a 3 k heal , even though it can be added to your main spell, is not useful and the addition feels unpractical ).
    The last one seems overpowered with rouse
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  4. #14
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    Alchemist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jukebox12 View Post
    The last one seems overpowered with rouse
    Pet potency is not the same as our character potency. It used to be 300 in HW and that was a nerfed version of Embrace too. I would love to have Embrace buffed at the cost of one of our heals, but I don't think it will happen. Mainly because in lower level content, it makes the Faerie very powerful.

    We shouldn't really get jobs balanced based on content outside of Savage though, and our Faerie being only marginally better than a Regen tick is pretty disappointing. Maybe in 5.0 we will actually be a proper pet job with a powerful pet focused style.
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    Winter Gem
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    Brynhildr
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    Scholar Lv 100

    Oh Selene...

    Fey Wind boils down to everyone receiving a 1.5% speed increase since it is up 50% of the fight. Making it more potent would be game breaking imo since Scholars have Chain Strategem now as well so if Fey Wind gets a buff we will probably see a nerf to Strategem. These are both reliable party buffs unlike Astro and their cards.

    I would like Physick to interact with Embrace by adding a healing buff to target that increases Embrace Potency for 15-30 seconds. This would be a nice trait for Scholars to use at later levels that solves the problem of lowered pet potency and gives Physick a real purpose. All healers should have a proc or useful trait attached to their base heal.

    Silent Dusk has always been trash. Silence, stun, and sleep can be resisted so I always believed that the fairy should offer a defense down debuff. Something that remains useful in every encounter and can't be resisted. This way no ability is wasted like Eos who is always beneficial.
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    Shiru Elysia
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Scholar is finally stable again.
    I don't want them to change anything else so just
    No.

    No more changes.
    Everything's fine now.

    Even if Silent dusk is useless.
    The dispel became more useful now because of esuna being in cross class system.
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabzy View Post
    Pet potency is not the same as our character potency. It used to be 300 in HW and that was a nerfed version of Embrace too. I would love to have Embrace buffed at the cost of one of our heals, but I don't think it will happen. Mainly because in lower level content, it makes the Faerie very powerful.

    We shouldn't really get jobs balanced based on content outside of Savage though, and our Faerie being only marginally better than a Regen tick is pretty disappointing. Maybe in 5.0 we will actually be a proper pet job with a powerful pet focused style.
    It's a mana free heal no matter what potency. The higher potency it the overpower it is
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  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukebox12 View Post
    It's a mana free heal no matter what potency. The higher potency it the overpower it is
    This is a silly argument though. Firstly, SCH has the hardest time with mana anyway. You can argue that AST has weaker MP refresh, but they also have much less mana usage in the first place. And secondly the whole point in us having weaker heals is because of the Faerie.

    Given that Cleric Stance doesn't penalise the other healers anymore, there was literally no reason for the Faerie to get nerfed again. And before people argue about Eos solo healing everything, it's irrelevant to talk about job balance based on overgeared fights.
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    Nemene Damendar
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    I will never not be entertained by this meme that having the highest potency regens in the game for zero MP, 100% uptime, and no GCD investment is "weak", especially on the non-HoT focused healer.
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    Riyshn'a Nhise
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    Technically the strongest regen in the game is Fey Union, which depending on how you look at it has one the highest investments of any skill in the game (Aetherflow stacks and fairy lockout), as well as one of the highest cooldowns (variable cost based on a resource that gives us a whopping 3-4 ticks per minute).

    As long as Embrace has to fill the roles of both "SCH's regen" as well as "making up for SCH's lower healing potencies", it will continue to be called weak at it's current level, because it just isn't strong enough to really cover both. On top of that there's the mechanical issues with it - it is the only "regen" in the game that can only be on one target at a time, there's no way to actually set that target because even if you spam Embrace throughout the entire fight, the AI will still sometimes decide to ignore you and do it's own thing, you straight up unavoidably lose Embraces in some movement-heavy fights, and that same AI also deciding that Embrace will sometimes interfere with casting other potentially time-sensitive abilities (The amount of times I've had Eos completely ignore my telling her to use Whispering Dawn for the entire duration of Rouse...).
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    Last edited by Riyshn; 11-01-2017 at 10:42 AM. Reason: typo

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