Restrict Personal Houses to 1 Per Server!

[Niraves]

What is your point exactly? That a player should be required have a certain level of weekly income before buying a house? Not that having a decent weekly income is particularly difficult, but it will be much lower if you aren't a crafter (and becoming a dedicated crafter requires a fairly significant investment on its own).

I didn't say anything about having a weekly income. I simply said that making gil in this game isn't exactly difficult. Yes, I am a crafter and that makes it easier, but there is nothing stopping anyone else from crafting, or gathering, or doing their weekly challenge logs which literally rain gil down on you. I haven't been given one solid reason why I would want to relinquish my alts house. Why in the hell would I want to give up something I worked my butt off to get? Because Mr. Random Internet Person is mad that he doesn't have a house? That's not my fault. You want a house, do the work. Stop trying to take houses from people who legitimately earned them.

You can call it blame shifting, call it a duck for all I care. The simple facts are, we multiple plot owners did NOT violate the ToS. And yea, SE is free to change the housing rules to 1 house per account, it's their game and they can do what they want. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to fight tooth and nail for the plots that I worked my ass off to get. If they do end up implementing this change all that means for me is I have to buy my alts house on my second account, and thats what I'll do. 3 million and change isn't a big deal to me. It's just a bunch of crap that people who worked hard to get their houses are basically being told, well sorry about all the time and effort you put into getting your house on your alt, but because I don't have a house you shouldn't get to keep yours.

SE has made some pretty stupid decisions regarding housing. Taking away plots from the people who aren't even using them seems like a hell of a lot better option than to just take away someones alts house that they use daily. But we'll just have to wait and see. Personally, I hope SE doesn't do this, because not everyone has a second account like I do to be able to keep their houses if this change goes through. And based off what I've seen in my wards, 80% of the people who bought houses in Shirogane don't deserve them.

I don't care what excuse they have. A 100% empty house is just ridiculous, even if it's only been two weeks. The housing vendor sells some really nice furniture for really cheap if you're on a budget, but to have literally nothing in a mansion? Yeah, I don't care what anyone says, thats crap and that player doesn't deserve that house.

[worldofneil]

A 100% empty house is just ridiculous, even if it's only been two weeks.

You'd hate my house then. I bought a medium in Shirogane, mainly for the two garden plots (and as a bonus it's right next to our FC house and it has a convenient teleport location). My garden is decorated and I've used both gardens every single day, but I've only stepped inside the house 2, maybe 3 times and it's still completely empty.

I will get round to decorating it, but I'm not in any great rush, I see that as more of a long term project. The house is also locked from guests (since what's the point... it's empty...), but for all they know it's fully decorated inside

[Leloa]

You'd hate my house then. I bought a medium in Shirogane, mainly for the two garden plots (and as a bonus it's right next to our FC house and it has a convenient teleport location). My garden is decorated and I've used both gardens every single day, but I've only stepped inside the house 2, maybe 3 times and it's still completely empty.

I will get round to decorating it, but I'm not in any great rush, I see that as more of a long term project. The house is also locked from guests (since what's the point... it's empty...), but for all they know it's fully decorated inside

It's sad that there is a lot like you there... I would love to burn these house down to make them availble plots again for people who need them for more than gardening and wish SE would add gardening to some other ways to the game :C

[Abelfei]

(in regards to vacant and "unused" houses.)

I can see both sides to this. For people that would truly cherish the use of a house, this can be a slap in the face. However, it IS completely within the owners rights to use it or decorate it as little or as much as they want. As someone who uses his house amap, I cant imagine why someone couldn't furnish it, and why they wouldn't want to. Like others have said, the NPC furniture is cheap, and getting enough gil to furnish any house shouldn't take but minutes, regardless of quality of furnishings. I agree with the sentiment, but people should have 100% discretion on the use of their house, not their neighbors.

[Searban]

I didn't say anything about having a weekly income. I simply said that making gil in this game isn't exactly difficult. Yes, I am a crafter and that makes it easier, but there is nothing stopping anyone else from crafting, or gathering, or doing their weekly challenge logs which literally rain gil down on you. I haven't been given one solid reason why I would want to relinquish my alts house. Why in the hell would I want to give up something I worked my butt off to get? Because Mr. Random Internet Person is mad that he doesn't have a house? That's not my fault. You want a house, do the work. Stop trying to take houses from people who legitimately earned them.

Ah, there it is. The final argument to end all arguments. How a house owner earned every single plot in his or her collection. With how plots distribution works under the current housing system you've won a lotter (especially if it's a Shirogane house). You may employ all the mental gymnastics you want, but winning a lottery isn't earning things. Just because you and that Random Internet Person did exactly the same things and followed exactly the same steps. You have your house, that Random Interned Person doesn't. Does it mean he didn't earn it and you did? Nope, it just means he wasn't lucky enough. At this point I'm beginning to hope SE can be convinced to go through with this proposed change simply because arguments employed by multiple plots owners are getting worse by the day.

You haven't said anything about a weekly income, but you're getting upset over the fact that people may not have the money to spend on house decorations 2 weeks after obtaining their plots. How dare they not have enough money yet. How dare they not be willing to spend money on cheap items they don't want to satisfy your aesthetic needs regarding plots that aren't yours. Outrageous.

You haven't been given any reasons why you'd want to relinquish your additional plots because just as you don't care about players that couldn't get theirs none of the players involved in this discussion care about you or what you want. No one is trying to convince you because: a) that would be a futile attempt anyway; b) you're not the one that needs to be convinced, devs are. That's how feedback works.

SE has made some pretty stupid decisions regarding housing. Taking away plots from the people who aren't even using them seems like a hell of a lot better option than to just take away someones alts house that they use daily. But we'll just have to wait and see. Personally, I hope SE doesn't do this, because not everyone has a second account like I do to be able to keep their houses if this change goes through. And based off what I've seen in my wards, 80% of the people who bought houses in Shirogane don't deserve them.

Assuming that people loosing plots would be upset about the whole deal one way or another taking 2 plots away from 1 player is always going to be better option than taking 2 plots from 2 different players from the point of view SE have. Again, needs of many vs needs of the few.

That those 2 players don't deserve their plots? They've won them in the great lottery of post-maintenance rush therefore they've earned them. And here I thought you aren't more deserving than other house owners.

[Niraves]

Ah, there it is. The final argument to end all arguments. How a house owner earned every single plot in his or her collection. With how plots distribution works under the current housing system you've won a lotter (especially if it's a Shirogane house). You may employ all the mental gymnastics you want, but winning a lottery isn't earning things. Just because you and that Random Internet Person did exactly the same things and followed exactly the same steps. You have your house, that Random Interned Person doesn't. Does it mean he didn't earn it and you did? Nope, it just means he wasn't lucky enough. At this point I'm beginning to hope SE can be convinced to go through with this proposed change simply because arguments employed by multiple plots owners are getting worse by the day.

I spent months camping aetherytes every hour on the hour whenever I was online. Months. I earned my plot on my alt and I got lucky with my plot on my main, but no way in hell am I giving up either of them. My Shirogane house for my main, yes, I did get lucky with that one. I got one of the last small plots available after I managed to get through two lobby errors and a 2k+ queue. At least I actually use mine, which is more than can be said for a lot of people. It's not like I rushed out to buy up a ward full of houses that I never go to or only bother to go there once every 45 days to reset the timer.

You haven't said anything about a weekly income, but you're getting upset over the fact that people may not have the money to spend on house decorations 2 weeks after obtaining their plots. How dare they not have enough money yet. How dare they not be willing to spend money on cheap items they don't want to satisfy your aesthetic needs regarding plots that aren't yours. Outrageous.

Yeah. I am upset about it. I'm friends with an FC that wanted to upgrade their medium plot to a large, but no one could beat the queue in time to get a mansion anywhere. People rushed in to snap up all the large/medium plots and now they are sitting there empty. Frankly, I don't care what crap excuse people have for it, but two weeks is more than enough time to do SOMETHING with your plot. If you can't be bothered to 'deal with it', then don't buy it and let someone who actually plans to use it buy the land. Just my two gil.

Regardless, you can have your opinion and I'll keep mine. What either of us has to say isn't going to make one lick of difference anyway, SE will do what they want and we'll adapt to it as needed.

[Siniztor]

I've said it before,I might as well repeat myself: in a subscription-based MMO, where needs of many will always outweigh needs of a few, a move like this would certainly be controversial, but likely justifiable from the business point of view..

Really id like to point out the new "ultimate" series of dungeons which are for what 5%-10% of the coumminty since u have to beat savage 4..They all ready said it isn't for the majority of the players but the mainority that wanted super hard dungeon.. So what did Se do they took away 1 dungeon from the majority of the people for 1 super dungeon for the mainority. basicly they don't care about whats better for the majority . if this was a one time thing maybe but its every odd number patch from here on out we lose 1 dungeon..

Personaly i wont be doing it yes im bummed we lose out on a dungeon every other patch but im using this to kill your ohhh SE will do whats best for the majority

[Siniztor]

Ah, there it is. The final argument to end all arguments. How a house owner earned every single plot in his or her collection. With how plots distribution works under the current housing system you've won a lotter (especially if it's a Shirogane house). You may employ all the mental gymnastics you want, but winning a lottery .

weird won no lottery here unless you mean i know how to walk up to a sign .. there wasn't ah housing shortage on most loq pop servers there was 200-400 empty plots when i got mine

[Searban]

Really id like to point out the new "ultimate" series of dungeons which are for what 5%-10% of the coumminty since u have to beat savage 4..They all ready said it isn't for the majority of the players but the majority that wanted super hard dungeon.. So what did Se do they took away 1 dungeon from the majority of the people for 1 super dungeon for the majority. basicly they don't care about whats better for the majority . if this was a one time thing maybe but its every odd number patch from here on out we lose 1 dungeon..

Personaly i wont be doing it yes im bummed we lose out on a dungeon every other patch but im using this to kill your ohhh SE will do whats best for thr majority

Huh, where do I even start with this? Let me tear through it piece by piece.

First and foremost, you're comparing conflict/crisis resolution with content development. The former should be done based on the needs of many outweigh needs of a few principle, the latter on the cater simultaneously to the widest spectrum of players possible principle. It's about what way of doing things would be most advantageous for them from the business point of view. When you look at the structure of patches in each expansion cycle of FFXIV this is exactly what SE is doing.

Furthermore, the reason why odd numbered patches are going to have 1 dungeon in 4.x cycle is that devs believe dungeons aren't as important piece of content to the community now as they used to be. Their opinion is based internal data that shows people often choose other content to gather their weekly tomestones. So they've made a decision to shift resources within the project towards other content. Keywords: other content. For all we know, that other content is unlikely to be limited to the Unending Coil of Bahamut and further Ultimate fights (Assuming there will be other fights, as far as I know there have been no word on the matter either. I doubt they want to set anything in stone before seeing how the new Coil is received.) Things such as Eureka, new Deep Dungeon, further expansion of Squadrons can fall into that category as well. Even new PvP modes they've talked about in recent Live Letters. Basically a wide array of potential content ranging from very casual to hardcore.

It's also worth noting that stagnating structure of patches and overused content formula have been among the main points of criticism towards FFXIV for quite some time already. Trying to inject more variety into it is a direct response to playerbase-provided feedback. And even with that variety being improved, casual content (in other words, content for the majority) will still outweigh hardcore content by a huge margin regardless of the number of dungeons in each patch.

Finally, I never said SE will do what's most beneficial to the majority. What I said that if they were to consider their options on the matter of housing restrictions the business argument to implement them is there. I do believe this is what should be the crucial factor, but that's simply my opinion. That's it.

The only thing you're going to kill making claims like this is your credibility.

[Almagnus1]

weird won no lottery here unless you mean i know how to walk up to a sign .. there wasn't ah housing shortage on most loq pop servers there was 200-400 empty plots when i got mine

Getting a house (at least on a high or med pop server) is like winning the lotto unless you're willing to pay through the noise for a house flipper to release their lot... assuming that isn't a scam.

Also, due to the absurd amount of gil going through those transactions, I wouldn't be surprised if the house flippers were actually connected to the gil sellers.