Ifirit, how it could have been done better.

[Murugan]

Yoshi has said he intends the gear hierarchy to be as follows:

Crafted gear w/ multiple materia > rare/ex NM / instanced content drops > Crafted gear w/ a single materia

Having a horn drop which crafters can make into a weapon and sell/trade freely messes that up. You may think the following statement sounds elitist, but I don't care. I don't want Joe Lancer running around with the same gear I've obtained through defeating difficult NMs or instanced content because he has a fat wallet.

Edit: Need or Greed system is still the best system in my opinion, and from interviews it is what Yoshi is leaning towards. It still has the RNG aspect (which keeps players occupied in possibly having to clear content multiple times), but alleviates the rage induced by the current RNG on top of RNG system.

Well bully to you then because joe Lancer can go pay a number of groups to run him through ifrit while he takes a dirt nap after the first Eruption.

Need for Greed is a stupid system, which if enforced along currently equipped class completely ignores the fact that this is a multi class/character game; and if it doesn't is pointless since anyone can "need" or "greed".

The system at launch was best, they need to get back to it.

[Dakin]

Well bully to you then because joe Lancer can go pay a number of groups to run him through ifrit while he takes a dirt nap after the first Eruption.

Need for Greed is a stupid system, which if enforced along currently equipped class completely ignores the fact that this is a multi class/character game; and if it doesn't is pointless since anyone can "need" or "greed".

The system at launch was best, they need to get back to it.

Sure, they could add some more NM drops that are craftable, just don't make them as good as rare/ex drops that can only be obtained through ACTUALLY COMPLETING THE CONTENT.

But whatever, I'm totally for allowing everybody access to the best gear in the game and taking any difficulty or sense of achievement out of a MMO. You win.

[Dakin]

What do you know about working for anything? I'm sorry but Ifrit's loot system does not make you work for anything when groups and actual endgame linkshells can do nothing to help their members obtain the priority items they need sooner. It is a crappy system.

Need or greed bro. If you're concerned about endgame linkshells getting items quicker why are you against it?

[Murugan]

Need or greed bro. If you're concerned about endgame linkshells getting items quicker why are you against it?

Do you know what need or greed is? It refers to a system where either all members have a pop up with two buttons which say "need" or "greed" placing you into two categories for randoms, or a system wherein you can only "need" if you are the class the item belongs to. It doesn't work in a multi-class one character game such as FFXIV where I might be playing a number of classes on occasion that are not my main.

I'm in a real endgame LS. We are capable of sorting our loot out ourselves like adults.

Loot list, master looter {can I have it?}

[Holland]

Do you know what need or greed is? It refers to a system where either all members have a pop up with two buttons which say "need" or "greed" placing you into two categories for randoms, or a system wherein you can only "need" if you are the class the item belongs to. It doesn't work in a multi-class one character game such as FFXIV where I might be playing a number of classes on occasion that are not my main.

I'm in a real endgame LS. We are capable of sorting our loot out ourselves like adults.

Loot list, master looter {can I have it?}

I believe you are taking the developers and the new management team of the game too lightly. What makes you think they will implement this exactly how other games have done so?.

They will implement the system according to how FFXIV works. And also, Yoshida has already acknowledged our dissatisfaction with the current system and plans to change it.

[Murugan]

Sure, they could add some more NM drops that are craftable, just don't make them as good as rare/ex drops that can only be obtained through ACTUALLY COMPLETING THE CONTENT.

But whatever, I'm totally for allowing everybody access to the best gear in the game and taking any difficulty or sense of achievement out of a MMO. You win.

Yeah that is clearly what me and Akuun want.

/clap

Or maybe we just want a system where our linkshells actually have some control over how we gear our members so that we can reward them for actual work in cooperating to down such content.

Why don't you go back to spamming shout in Ul'dah so you can kill ifrit 60 more times with your elite "any pick up group on the server with sentinel at this point" party so you can feel all elitist with your 6 items you totally earned so much more than the person who has killed him for a month and has nothing. (Look Ma! I can make baseless assumptions about people's motivations too!)

[DoctorMog]

Yeah that is clearly what me and Akuun want.

/clap

Or maybe we just want a system where our linkshells actually have some control over how we gear our members so that we can reward them for actual work in cooperating to down such content.

Why don't you go back to spamming shout in Ul'dah so you can kill ifrit 60 more times with your elite "any pick up group on the server with sentinel at this point" party so you can feel all elitist with your 6 items you totally earned so much more than the person who has killed him for a month and has nothing. (Look Ma! I can make baseless assumptions about people's motivations too!)

Seems you are taking this discussion very personal.

You should calm down man, it's just a game. We are all just expressing our opinions, and just because we don't agree with yours, doesn't give you the right to insult him. (or anyone for that matter.)

Keep the discussion on topic and civil eh?

[Murugan]

Seems you are taking this discussion very personal.

You should calm down man, it's just a game. We are all just expressing our opinions, and just because we don't agree with yours, doesn't give you the right to insult him. (or anyone for that matter.)

Keep the discussion on topic and civil eh?

Lets give everyone access to craft everything at any level.

All gear.

Any current and future raid gear.

All of it.

Sounds like a fun game to me.

Craft Fantasy 14™

That way I can log in for 5 minutes a week and beat the game every patch.

Because really, actually accomplishing anything in video games these days and working for anything is so last week.

Right, then anyone can have the satisfaction of Ifrit weapons without the work of actually killing him.

I'll pass.

Condescending, not civil.

[Dakin]

Why don't you go back to spamming shout in Ul'dah so you can kill ifrit 60 more times with your elite "any pick up group on the server with sentinel at this point" party so you can feel all elitist with your 6 items you totally earned so much more than the person who has killed him for a month and has nothing. (Look Ma! I can make baseless assumptions about people's motivations too!)

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