Bring you A and S Game V achievment has created toxicity in the community.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I think you are being impatient, tbh. I spawn and search for A/S a lot. I wait 5 minutes, because 2-3 minutes doesn't give people enough time to get there. The announcement get disseminated=1-2 minutes over various LS and FCs. People finish up their business=Give 30s-1m. People tele to nearest aetheryte= 10s-30s. Travel to area= usually about 1-2m. That's 4m30s on average. You are not waiting long enough, unless you only care about yourself, and are just announcing for bragging or to throw off "you didn't even announce it!" drama. Anyone after 5m, tough luck. But yeah, when I was on mateus, I still had complainers. But now I'm on Tonberry/Valefor and everything is gravy. And we don't even bother with shouting LOL, only pf. You just aren't waiting long enough.

If only...

NA servers have a more or less agreed upon rule. You drop everything you're doing and get to that hunt the moment it's called or you won't make any non-Stormblood hunt. I've seen less early pullers on Cactuar, but Balmung certainly didn't wait long. Pulls usually happen within two minutes, though it does depend on the server how patient people are.

[BigRed5392]

Now people pull extremely early.

When hunts were show cased it was always set up a first come first serve. There is no such thing as early pulling, hunts were not meant for an entire server to kill it. If people wait, that is their choice. If a group comes along with enough people to kill it, they have every right too. If you want to participate in hunts go out and hunt them. Its "toxic" to "cry" about missing out if you wasn't out there looking. It's "toxic" to think you are entitled to participate. It is also "toxic" to make others wait. Not everyone wants to sit at a hunt mob for 20-30 min while the whole server is otw.

People have other stuff they want to do, or are waiting for the hunt mob to be dead because it is disrupting their game play. Hunt mobs appear all over, and tend to be in leve ques locations, as well as gathering nodes. Not all players this effect are maxed out. Newbies are effected to by the random hunt mob in their quest area.
I would say it's toxic to make those players wait. I recall a newbie in the NN saying they died to an A rank by morby bay dry docks while trying to get to the light house. A rank was sitting on the path, no one came to kill it and they died trying to go around it. Their home point was in swift perch.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

There's a mount for this now?

Brb, early pulling

[BillyKaplan]

Let's stress this very important point again - relaying hunts and waiting on other people is something you choose to do but are not obligated to do. If you can solo a hunt, you may do that and no one has the right to complain about it going by the ToS.

I've been hunting for a while now and am a member of about half a dozen hunt linkshells. Here's my personal experience on the matter - 'early pull' is cried out whenever someone didn't get full credit. Like said before, we can wait about 10 minutes and they'd still complain about it if they took longer to arrive. That is not to say no one ever pulls on arrival, and all those linkshells frown upon such behavior. But from my experience, people who call 'early pulls':
1. Don't actually scout, let alone try to spawn things, but wait leisurely for the relay.
2. Take their time getting to an ARR hunt or even an HW hunt. I have seen people finish high level crafts; I have seen people complete cutscenes and quests; people looking for 2/3 hunt targets before they get themselves over there.
Why should two dozen people wait on that if those two dozen people show you could've gotten there in time?
3. Have seen the spawning attempts broadcast extensively in the linkshells, know where to be at what time, are aware an S rank has good chances of being spawned... and still do nothing and complain about being late.

Think about the relay message as your queue popping. If you take too long to respond, you're going to miss it. You're going to have to wait in queue again. DPS queue is my S rank metaphor. And yeah sitting there waiting for it to pop without doing anything can be annoying and boring. But if you enter a cutscene while queued, especially on a different class, you know you might miss it. That's all there is to it.

People have other stuff they want to do, or are waiting for the hunt mob to be dead because it is disrupting their game play. Hunt mobs appear all over, and tend to be in leve ques locations, as well as gathering nodes. Not all players this effect are maxed out. Newbies are effected to by the random hunt mob in their quest area.
I would say it's toxic to make those players wait. I recall a newbie in the NN saying they died to an A rank by morby bay dry docks while trying to get to the light house. A rank was sitting on the path, no one came to kill it and they died trying to go around it. Their home point was in swift perch.

I was killed by the South Shroud A rank on my BLM... 45 quest? And had my FC level 60s kill it for me. That hunt mark went Missing on the tracker that day, I imagine, lmao. Similarly I spawned Nandi, frigging Nandi, on a 40-something gatherer. Died to it, naturally, had an FC mate call in the troops. When you stop to think about it like that, hunts are actually a pretty obnoxious experience and I know a friend of a friend quit the game because they died to an A rank on a level 10.
But what can we expect, this forum wants ARR hunts to be level 70...

[ShadowHunterrX]

I think it's funny. Complain about early pulling and stuff , but did you find it OP ?
How can you know it's a early pull , sometimes you wait a long time 10+ and nobody comes. You kill it and suddenly a army comes crying about a early pull.

Sometimes people are not even searching for the hunt. I came across the same A rank for 2 hours straight. I am not hunting , just a gatherer on the road. So i decide to call right away when i spotted it so even after 2 hours nobody came. Even i called it even more then once. So I decide to kill it with a group of friends.
So it's down and a group of 8 comes , sending me tells like. *nice job early puller blacklist*. Funny it was standing there for 2 hours....

[Mirch]

How can you know it's a early pull , sometimes you wait a long time 10+ and nobody comes. You kill it and suddenly a army comes crying about a early pull.

They see you rollin', they hatin'

[NolLacnala]

The toxicity was present long before the tiger achievement was born

[Stormfur]

They should just let the Centurio Tiger be bought with those hunt mark logs. That way you can do hunts independently if you like (but not earn as many seals) or do it as a group if you happen upon an S or help spawn it.

[Lambdafish]

The issue of early pulling can easily be mitigated through fight design. I think that hunts should have more health and have multiple phases in order to allow people sufficient time to get there. Also, credit should be easier to earn, parties shouldn't be required to get full credit, only to kill the thing.

Oh, and ARR and HW hunts need to be overhauled and be given the same or similar rewards as the SB hunts.

The problem isnt early pulling, the issue is that the fights can be zerged very quickly, and credit can be difficult to get if you arrive late.

They should just let the Centurio Tiger be bought with those hunt mark logs. That way you can do hunts independently if you like (but not earn as many seals) or do it as a group if you happen upon an S or help spawn it.

The tiger is a long-term goal, much like the mentor horse and what Fenrir used to be, I am all for adding another mount in exchange for hunt mark logs (see Wyvern), but the tiger should remain as a long-term reward. Is a number of hunts needed a bit extreme? yes, but the concept behind its implementation is very valid.

[Doki]

Once there's more than 20 people at an ARR S rank, you start to get a lower & lower chance at full credit.

A bigger gripe I have is when I get accused of an early pull when we've been standing around for 5+ minutes, and you THINK it's an early pull because it was just relayed to your hunt LS in the last 30 seconds.