Should SE sell Gil (similar to WOW Tokens)

[Joe777]

You've never played WoW then? Surprising. What game is failing miserably?
There are common features that will always end up being needed in MMO's that involve certain features such as Gear or Currency or Cosmetics. Economy management isn't something you can just hipster it out and say well WE are doing this differently because .. different! It's VERY important you find something that works and looking to functioning models is great way to do so. Admittedly what constitutes functional is subjective. What some accept , others may find bitterly failing.

In the case of RMT, I am against putting ANY method of directly suspending people in players hands. It gets abused by large groups. Just takes one reddit post and poof Knightly Knighterson can't play today cause 50 people out in reddit land believing some crusader for "justice" and their hastily cobbled together collection of "proof". According to another thread, this has already happened in the case of Shirogane (savage), people got reported en masse in the hopes they'd lose their house or at least get suspended till the demolition timer expired. We have proven already we cannot be trusted with that power, though for full disclosure, I've yet to see someone post in the actual forums a personal account of this happening.

I'm of the opinion that the Gil for Cash trade will always be there, the sellers will always find a way around it. It's easy and effective to take a large chunk of it AWAY from the sellers though and put the money in the devs pockets instead where it might benefit us. If you don't like the WoW example then how about Wildstar? There are a few other games doing it as well, but I've never played them so I couldn't begin to tell you if it's working or not with any sort of authority.

The game that is failing I was referring to is The Elder Scrolls Online. Sure it has fast-paced action, constantly adds new content, and is lore heavy enough to keep TES fans hooked, but it is full of lag, glitches, and bugs and is completely imbalanced. Them releasing new content so rapidly is also breaking whatever they do manage to fix again. I played it on PS4 since it released on consoles and finally just couldn't take it anymore. I then found FF14 and haven't looked back at ESO since.

As for large groups abusing the power of temp suspension through reporting that would only get them banned once SE found out about it, or anyone else trying it for that matter. Either way, we can all agree Report RMT is just not efficient enough. The same advertising bot remains for pretty much an entire day no matter how much we report them. Sure there is blacklisting but you can only blacklist so many before it's time to clean out the blacklist.

People really need to get off the "It was in WoW and therefore it's bad!" shtick.

No one is saying that? Most of the nos have not been for that reason and those commenting on the suggestion coming from WoW are not saying it is bad. Well, not for that reason at least.

[uvuvwevwevweonyetenyevweugwemu]

The yellow and green on this thread is very strong. Complains about -both- overpriced stuff and no gil sink? this is like complaining about hunger..while glaring at obesity.
Marketboard doesn't generate gils, its purpose is to distribute it. Overall what rmt use is bots farming quests, duties and gathering, not even crafting can generate gils out of thin air.
Making SE sell gills will only make it worse, both for SE and -you- the addicted rmt buyers. If someone is swimming in gils, they have the community to thanks.
I have respect for some crafters (in Siren atleast) who hold community events and rewards with expensive minions or orchestrion rolls. Give the gils back, that's the best way.

[BigRed5392]

I am just wondering why SE has not done this yet, Bots and spammers are still common in the game and its really annoying to see some hacked account spamming for days. Would this not resolve the issue for FF, to promote in game time tokens for Gil? Potentially making them more revenue, while resolving this nuisance and allowing players to buy time with Gil? In my opinion its a win-win situation.

WoW Tokens: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ne...-the-wow-token

game inflation. There was an exploit with people selling the eternal bond wrists for gil, and SE put a stop to it. gil is pretty easy to make heck being a tank can make you rich fairly easily.

Also these systems are not what its crack up to be. Neverwinter nights has a similar feature and it is HARD to get into it as a newbie.

[BigRed5392]

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eso is far from failing I was playing it when I couldn't afford ff14 and there are tons of ppl who play it, and they have been fixing bugs, and I never had any lag issues in eso. Never heard about said issue either.

[Joe777]

eso is far from failing I was playing it when I couldn't afford ff14 and there are tons of ppl who play it, and they have been fixing bugs, and I never had any lag issues in eso. Never heard about said issue either.

The reasons I mentioned are why people play it, but there is also rmt advertisers, bots farming spawns (bug abuse involved), and general toxicity as well. Even these forums are friendly compared to ESO's community. Any bugs they do fix as I mentioned before reappear in later patches.

[BigRed5392]

The reasons I mentioned are why people play it, but there is also rmt advertisers, bots farming spawns (bug abuse involved), and general toxicity as well. Even these forums are friendly compared to ESO's community. Any bugs they do fix as I mentioned before reappear in later patches.

i found the forum community more pleasant the these forums from time to time, as well as the community in the game.

I have rarely encountered an rmt bot spamming stuff, i rarely saw any bots out in the field. When i did the open world dungeons, the random healer would heal me. When asking for a wolf or vamp bite people are quick to reply, and do it free.

I played ESO over this past summer, when was your last log in time?

[Savagelf]

No SE shouldn't

[Joe777]

i found the forum community more pleasant the these forums from time to time, as well as the community in the game.

I have rarely encountered an rmt bot spamming stuff, i rarely saw any bots out in the field. When i did the open world dungeons, the random healer would heal me. When asking for a wolf or vamp bite people are quick to reply, and do it free.

I played ESO over this past summer, when was your last log in time?

Doesn't mean they aren't there, and I logged in sometimes to help a friend who still plays it. Last login wasn't that long ago. Oh and there was also that nasty bit about PC players using a cheat engine. Don't know if that's still going on or not as I didn't play it on PC.

[BigRed5392]

Doesn't mean they aren't there, and I logged in sometimes to help a friend who still plays it. Last login wasn't that long ago. Oh and there was also that nasty bit about PC players using a cheat engine. Don't know if that's still going on or not as I didn't play it on PC.

i play on ps4 as well, im just saying game isn't failing. You just don't like it, there is a big difference.

My last log in was in September, been just about on every map. My g/f played it more since she has more free time, she never saw any rmt either. She in fact was quitting ff14 for ESO because she felt the community was better.

[Joe777]

i play on ps4 as well, im just saying game isn't failing. You just don't like it, there is a big difference.

My last log in was in September, been just about on every map. My g/f played it more since she has more free time, she never saw any rmt either. She in fact was quitting ff14 for ESO because she felt the community was better.

Admittedly some servers in this game have toxic communities. The one I play on isn't one of them so I feel for the ones that are. Nevertheless, as I mentioned before very few things hold ESO together to keep people playing but it definitely has some serious flaws. Those same flaws have been around for a long time and will no doubt continue to be around. People like me recognize this and see it as the game failing, not because the game is going to die but because Zenimax is too incompetent to truly fix the problems. Once you've played that game as long as me and others have you'll start to see it. I can't say the same about FF14 and I've actually been playing it longer than I did ESO. Not saying FF14 is flawless but its flaws aren't as serious. If I had no name the biggest flaw in FF14 it'd be the inability to use BiS with glamour on jobs that share gear. Honestly, they could fix that by making jobs stop sharing gear come to think of it... But I digress.