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[ThirdChild_ZKI]

SE doesn't share your opinion since they just raised the XP amount instead of removing it per the 4.1 patch notes. That thread you linked to is completely pointless. You have too small a polling size to accurately represent the amount of people that play the game. 100 people from the pvp sub forum who already likely enjoy pvp and would pvp regardless of what SE does or doesn't do won't accurately reflect the opinion of the millions who play. Sorry, but I trust SE decision over some rando on the forums. PvP has bigger problems right now then XP. It's down right boring and the only reason I bother with it is because Tomestones are easy to cap spamming matches & Leveling a DPS from 60 to 70 is faster in PvP when you're out of roulettes and other forms of XP since other queues take 30+ minutes to enter vs the couple of minutes to match into a PvP match.

Wow, where do I begin with this one?

First, they increased PvP XP. Read it again carefully.
Second, the thread is hardly pointless as the question was generally asked, and more people - even if a small sampling answered and said they would. Logic would then dictate that there ARE people who would PvP because they actually want to PvP and not for the XP. If that's what you use it for, that's fine, but don't complain about lengthy queues to me. Please don't. I'd waited much longer than 30 minutes for both dungeons AND PvP, and that was when PvP didn't give XP at all. Also don't try to play the numbers game. "Millions" of people don't even play this game. Should they dictate what should and shouldn't be part of it?
And as far as the "I trust SE's decision" bit, when it comes to PvP. . . whew, man. You really need to go read those PvP forums some time. Where PvP is concerned, I couldn't say "I trust SE's decision" with a gun to my head.

This is a stupid argument. There are all sorts of people. There are those that want to reach the goal and don't give a damn about the road towards it, but there are also the ones that want to make most of it and enrich their end.

I don't care about competition and whenever I did PvP, I did it for rewards (though honestly, I did it only before 4.0, as since then I just have no need for what PvP rewards). However, it's a party-based content and I despise holding others back when I can help it. So I did give it a fair try, trying to win till the end. The only difference is that even if I was part of the losing team, I didn't beat myself over it.

On a different side of the spectrum, there are the psychotically competitive players that want to show that "they are the best" to the point they are just plain toxic...ironically, often going out on their own and messing up the teamwork by trying to show off how "best" they are. And even with few PvP runs I did, I still managed to come across those competitive sorts that order others around, then give up halfway with a stupid excuse of "since we can't win anymore, what's the point of doing it?! I'm here only to win.". And you know what?! The most prominent time that happened, our team went from a third-place by far, to nearly winning. And we WERE held back by the one with the most bark and "competitive spirit".

The problem is entirely with the mentality of people not caring about others, wanting only the best for themselves. This mentality is FREQUENT in competitive players! There is no problem in non-competitive players that will stop trying if they see little chance of winning, even if they tried their best. That's one way how "change" happens. The weak players leave, stop feeding the strong, the strong lose their "meal", they thin out, the weak ones come back and the strong ones eventually catch on. This is natural and overall healthy, as (so long as there is an odd number of factions) it gives all sides some chances to win, thus enticing them to try.

Let me give this one my full attention.

First, let's not paint with broad strokes. It is entirely possible to be both competitive and compassionate. I know quite a number of PvPers in this game that are exactly that. Putting that aside, let me not mince words here: there is nothing wrong with being non-competitve. There is EVERYTHING wrong with being non-competitive in a competitive environment. You don't have to care, but you do have to try.

We already have a big enough problem with players shying away from challenge even in PvE. That's just not an option in PvP. Gonna lose? Take your lumps. But do it on your feet. Rolling over only guarantees you both lose, and learn nothing. Rolling over means you deserve nothing. Letting a team win just so you can end the match quickly and perhaps try again is pathetic, and if that sounds bad, that's because it IS. No one has to be the best, no one who currently is the "best" is just naturally that way. But I can guarantee the "best" players never let someone win just so they can maybe get a better chance. Do that, and you'll always be "letting" people win while looking for that guaranteed chance. Nothing is guaranteed except failure when you give up.

As for a winning player's mentality, let me try to paint a different picture: Those of us considered "good" or "competitive"? We were new once too. We got stomped. We lost a lot too. The difference is we didn't give up. We paid attention. We sought out information to get better. We listened to those who knew better and supported our teams. We weren't just making a crap shoot for a reward. We took those slim chances to turn around a game. Sometimes it worked. Sometimes it didn't. We didn't give up. I can't say it enough. We didn't give up. No one who fought hard to get good enough to win is ever going to "let" someone else win, and that idea has no place in a competitive environment. You want XP from PvP? You want some shiny reward? You better fight for it, cause all those other people want it too. Do they deserve it more than you? If your answer is No, then please tell me what kind of sense it makes to "let" them win?