Quits AST for pvp due to the revmoal of resuce, unfair change.

[Pence]

How? it is less fun now to me. I see no reason why to play it over whm anymore. So SE has only cared about feast 4 v4 these last 4? years, and still can't balance it? Also why actively harm (taking out chat) the only mode they care to balance? For "actively detrimental" are you blaming the ability for the bad coding the game has? like the other posts?

You were playing a job for a single skill on a 1 minute CD?.....

Of course they're only going to try balancing for 4s. Why would you try and balance something around cluster fudge battlegrounds. And your 'Last 4 years' statement is odd. You do know they only separated and truly attempted PVP balance 3.5 months ago, right? And please stop trying to say 'They should leave a skill in even if it's coded bad'. It's just wrong and makes you feel dirty.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

This kinda highlights the limitations of this "new" PvP system.

What I think perhaps would've been ideal - especially for the once-borderline OP AST - is if the old PvP system was still in place, with a system for "Free" slots. There were generally 6 PvP skills (that were useful) for most jobs, and the newly-reshuffled Role Actions. Allow 6 free slots for players to utilize either role actions or PvP actions. Possible complications of course would be something like PvP Protect vs PvE Protect, but this would also alleviate such issues as HAVING to slot Bolt/Sprint and reducing the number of possible skill slots.

Not a bad idea, though I'm just brainstorming a little.

[loreleidiangelo]

AST wasn't OP and I wish people would stop propagating that meme. WHM was always considered the "meta" healer for Feast. I feel like that stupid "waaaah 6 of us couldn't kill this one AST in Frontlines" urban myth was a huge reason the class got gutted so badly and it makes me salty AF.

That said Deorbit just plain sucked and the OP is the only person I know who is sad to see the back of it.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

We can't deny some jobs just worked a little too well. I know MCH was certainly one, so I definitely share your frustration there. Granted, it took the right tools in the right hands to reach that though.

[Synestra]

Kinda off-topic but how is the AST deeps now after the patch? is it worth to use it as a new solo job in FL's? can it survive and kill in 1vX situations if opponents are non-healers? After SB gutted WAR i have been looking this new "one man army" job but haven't found it yet, NiN is close to it but it is too squishy for my liking, so if AST can survive the pain train and dish out decent damage it might be the job i have been looking for.

[Wintersandman]

Kinda off-topic but how is the AST deeps now after the patch?

AST has always been legit in FL since 4.0 changes. Benefic > Malefic III can solo anything but other healers. I enjoyed deorbit but I like the new changes. Lord of Crowns and Lady of Thorns are great abilities to have in the toolkit especially when you can have then double up or one of both once you free up Minor Arcana.

[Synestra]

Benefic > Malefic III can solo anything but other healers.

Hmm... might need to check out AST at some point then

[Levy9]

AST wasn't OP and I wish people would stop propagating that meme. WHM was always considered the "meta" healer for Feast. I feel like that stupid "waaaah 6 of us couldn't kill this one AST in Frontlines" urban myth was a huge reason the class got gutted so badly....

It's not a myth. AST was certainly OP around the time that seal rock was still fairly new, and the Feast wasn't even close to release. I used to main AST and we were nearly invincible due to our high potency instant shield spam.

We could put up a shield instantly that would require several GCD's from a DPS to break through, and we'd just instantly recast it if they did, while restoring hp with the same skill, for a low MP cost. WHM was specifically good in the Feast, not necessarily Front Lines (which is where AST was OP) because of Repose. Sleep and CC still effected players for a very long time then. 'Sleep the enemy healer then burst' became a meta strat IIRC.

Remember, the Feast wasn't a thing when people were claiming that AST was OP, so performance in that format wasn't considered. Front Lines was the only active PvP as no-one did Fold. AST was OP in Front Lines prior to the nocturnal sect nerfs.

[Mirch]

Kinda off-topic but how is the AST deeps now after the patch? is it worth to use it as a new solo job in FL's? can it survive and kill in 1vX situations if opponents are non-healers? After SB gutted WAR i have been looking this new "one man army" job but haven't found it yet, NiN is close to it but it is too squishy for my liking, so if AST can survive the pain train and dish out decent damage it might be the job i have been looking for.

The addition of lady of crown and lord of crown is great on 1v1 vs nn healer

[Korihu]

It's not a myth. AST was certainly OP around the time that seal rock was still fairly new

No, like, people were actually complaining that AST was OP during the Shatter era because they couldn't figure out their buttons. Like yeah AST was op when it first released but once it got fixed up it was fine, but people kept complaining anyway as an excuse.

I could probably dig up some hilarious threads where people were saying AST needed to be nerfed because they claimed they couldn't kill one with 12 people on them...