Restricting houses to one per account!!!

[Titor]

.... Is not going to solve the issue.

I keep seeing people calling for more restrictions/limitations/reclamation/other hoops to jump through, just like adding more wards won't fix the problem, neither will these.
As long as the number of unique players on a server is greater than the number of houses available, there will be a problem. We need to be asking for dynamic wards or a complete rework to the personal housing system, not making houses so restricted and gated with a potential to be lost for any number of reasons that owning one becomes stressful.

Remember how reclamation and demolishing was going to solve the issue? Did it? No. A handful of people grabbed a reclaimed house, sure, but look at the number of people still homeless and wanting a house. It didn't do anything but remove a tiny little dent in the overall population who wants a house, but added a great strain on housing owners to have to keep up their sub even in the event of a personal illness, disaster, work, military, or other RL issue that might keep them away for a period of time.

There are 60*12*4=2880 plots on the server. Looking at any of the various ffxiv census sites shows that most worlds in NA have over 10k active players, and most servers on EU have over 12k active players. At best, if every person owns exactly one house (completely excluding FCs), less than 25% of the population will have a house. Adding FCs in here will make this percentage lower. So even with our current system, and only one person having a house, ~6000+ people per server that want a house can be upset about not being able to own a house.

Even if the number of wards was increased to 20, or doubled to 24, there will not be enough houses for every individual non-alt player.

"But the system is limited, we have to work with what we got!!!"
...No matter what we do with the current system, there will not be enough for anyone. It's not sustainable. It can be limited to one per account, relinquish after 10 days of inactivity, be restricted to FCs with 10+ members, lotteries, be an additional sub on the mog station.... It can be all of the suggested things and STILL have approximately the same number of people unhappy.

Let's not make the situation overly complex or annoying to deal with. Let's ask for SE to FIX the problem. It will take time, it will take a massive rewrite, but that is what we need to be asking for.

[Vahlnir]

Having maybe 2 per account would put a dent in the issue (1 personal, 1 FC), though I think 2 per server with the same limits would be ideal. It might not be a game changer, but people owning more than 2 per server is just selfish at this point. This would free up a reasonable amount depending on the server.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Let's not make the situation overly complex or annoying to deal with. Let's ask for SE to FIX the problem. It will take time, it will take a massive rewrite, but that is what we need to be asking for.

While an ideal philosophy, we also have to be realistic. The devs aren't going to overhaul nor implement instanced housing in three months. Better restricting how many houses people are allowed to own would at least help ensure more houses are going to actual players and not flippers. Frankly, I think they should improve Apartments tremendously. Allow us to customize the size, add a balcony for gardening and it becomes a nice alternative. Since it's all instanced, that shouldn't be too much strain.

[Penthea]

A dent is still a dent. Demolition was only a dent but the fact remains many people got their house because of demolition. The same would happen if the amount of houses you can have was restricted. I think it would have a much larger effect than demolition.

The reason why people are asking for these small changes is that they don't require SE to create something complex and time consuming. They instead only require tweaking what's there already. They're more likely to get introduced because it's not an enormous undertaking like creating an entirely new system

I agree there needs to be much more done to actually solve the housing issue, but I think you misunderstand some of the reasoning for why some people ask for small changes.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Baby steps. Start with what can be done to at least lessen the issue in some way and be done quickly and easily before rolling out something time consuming that requires a large overhaul because these tweaks will generally help after the overhaul as well.

[Siniztor]

Removing houses people all ready own is shady. yes i own 3 houses, I broke no rules in doing so and on my server there was 200-400 empty houses for over a year ive been here i paid $18 to move there just for houses wile some of you paid to go to balmug and gil for higher pop events. i took away from no one. everyone who wanted a house on my server got one all houses were at bare minium prices they sat so long.

The greedy people are the "Free Riders"who took a free transfer to low pop servers and are complain hey look that person owns more then one house and i cant get one now that 2,000 people took a free ride in, they all could of had houses if they paid to move before the free transfered like i did.

[Rymm]

Is housing in FF14 a total train wreck?
Yes.

Will SE need to do some major overhauling to completely 'fix' it?
Yes.

In the mean time, does hoarding and flipping houses exacerbate the already strained situation?
Absolutely.

Restricting the number of plots a single account can own would definitely relieve some of the pressure on the system (similar to how the demo timer does) while the devs work on a more permanent solution. At this point I can't even remember anymore how long I have been advocating 1 personal and 1 FC house per account, per server. Alts on the server should automatically become tenants and not count toward the over-all tenant limit.

[NephthysVasudan]

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Sooo about that guy that buys an entire ward....and then some.

Yeah....great idea....

As I've said..or hinted..I get why this is bad....but the bad we have now...far outweighs the good.

We need some sort of balance in place for this.....and like it or not....it IS the simplest solution...not the best....but straightforward.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Removing houses people all ready own is shady. yes i own 3 houses, I broke no rules in doing so and on my server there was 200-400 empty houses for over a year ive been here i paid $18 to move there just for houses wile some of you paid to go to balmug and gil for higher pop events. i took away from no one. everyone who wanted a house on my server got one all houses were at bare minium prices they sat so long.

The greedy people are the "Free Riders"who took a free transfer to low pop servers and are complain hey look that person owns more then one house and i cant get one now that 2,000 people took a free ride in, they all could of had houses if they paid to move before the free transfered like i did.

I won't deny you broke no rules, but you have taken advantage of the developer's terrible lack of foresight. From a pure business perspective, it is far more beneficial they take this on the chin, acknowledge the mistake and accept it may piss of players such as yourself compared to the alternative where a significantly larger portion of the playerbase gets nothing.

And let's not kid ourselves. You are no less greedy than players who transferred to smaller worlds after they made it free. That isn't inherently wrong on your part anymore than someone wanting both a FC and personal house. It just highlights how flawed the whole neighbourhood concept really is. Very few seem to give a hoot about neighbours and just want houses.

[Siniztor]

anymore than someone wanting both a FC and personal house. .

im not even gonna address the other parts..but by your way of thinking anyone who is in a FC that has a house shouldn't get a personal house.. The FC house isn't the leaders house its everyones the only diffence is the leaders can change ranks and permissions.. So if a fc leaders allows every member the right to deco and garden then they don't need a house right lol