Restricting houses to one per account!!!

[RitsukoSonoda]

IMO you shouldn't surprise people with releasing houses, as that's something that would be better to give them like a month warning and then hang a sword of damocles over their heads and mention you're going to cut the string unless they do X, Y, or Z.

Not surprising them with new houses. That would be announced ahead of time. Surprising them with not being able to buy another personal house on a server using an alt if they already have atleast 1 personal house on that world on the account. Doesn't even have to force an eviction of players currently holding more than 1 personal plot per account. That can be an announcement later if they choose to do so.

That said if doing something like this they should also prevent relocating until the account is down to just 1 personal house.

Also make it shared across all characters on the account while at it without it counting against the tenant list.

[Siniztor]

what would happen (and in my opinion what should happen) is the restriction should go into effect: 1 personal house that all characters on your account for that server are tenants of, and one FC house. People and FC's who already own multiple houses would be grandfathered so to speak, and keep those multiples they already have. However, should you relinquish those plots at any point- you'd be adhering to the new rules.
Does this fix the problem, no, but it gives people a fighting chance to get houses for their FCs, while they start working on the time-consuming real solutions.

But other problems that should be addressed: making workshops, stables, and cross-breed gardening accessible outside of owning a house for starters. Use a situation like our GC barracks, hell...USE the GC barracks somehow. Create a company workshop that can be accessed from Airship ports in the major cities for example.

As ive posted many times if they wanna change the rules to 1 personal 1 fc im fine with that as long as you don't take away from people who did nothing wrong and broke no rules getting there multi houses. id even be fine with not allowing multi houses to transfer. And of course we be subject like everyone to no more buying houses as they add more wards.

My biggest stance is we followed all the rules SE gave us..not what some players thought the rules should be, but the rules SE laid out for us to follow.

I agree they need to work on workshop fixs. making them house bound is stupid. the GC is a great idea add a work shop to the squad door of the GC your fC is alliend with.

Add a door in apartments and houses that lead to a garden plot with more then 24 plots say 48 or 72 any FC gardener who has cross bread for onions or vegi seeds for there fc knows 3 plots is not enough, you still end up running peoples personal gardens for fc cross breeds (lest in my fc we do, members donate there garden plots to the gardening team)

and for the love of gold fish give us some sort of shared bank for all our alts even if its just 10 spots we have to pay to use each time. put in a bank and charge us what ever to use it

[Sotatsu]

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As I said in another thread, it's like saying "I know that the class I'm currently playing is OP and need a rework. I'm okay if the rework only apply to new players after the update, but not for ancient players like me. I want to stay OP while other players are nerfed... even if we're supposed to play the same class."

We all pay the same subscription, so we all have to follow the same rules, even if SE decide to change them latter (which will most certainly not happen, fortunately for you).

You didn't break the rules, but I don't think SE thought players would use housing that way. It's just bad game design, and if they decide to rectify it, then the changes should have to apply to everyone.

[Siniztor]

As I said in another thread, it's like saying "I know that the class I'm currently playing is OP and need a rework. I'm okay if the rework only apply to new players after the update, but not for ancient players like me. I want to stay OP while other players are nerfed... even if we're supposed to play the same class."

We all pay the same subscription, so we all have to follow the same rules, even if SE change them latter (which will most certainly not happen)

Thats apples to oranges your comparing class mechanics everyone gets to optional in game items people choose to buy or not buy. and #2 we dont all pay the same sub thats why theres 2 subscription plans.

[Sotatsu]

Thats apples to oranges your comparing class mechanics everyone gets to optional in game items people choose to buy or not buy. and #2 we dont all pay the same sub thats why theres 2 subscription plans.

1# So you are defending the fact that if there are two players paying the same subscription fees, one can have more privileges just because he connected first. Sounds very fair...
2# The second subscription plan talks about offering players 8 characters. Nothing more, nothing less. If housing rules change and are retroactive, you will most certainly loose a few houses (and still have at least 1, which is better than having nothing like many players), but not your 8 characters. And by doing that, SE will do nothing wrong, since this subcription isn't about paying more to get more houses. It's about paying more to get more characters.

[Siniztor]

1# So you are defending the fact that if there are two players paying the same subscription fees, one can have more privileges just because he connected first. Sounds very fair...
2# The second subscription plan talks about offering players 8 characters. Nothing more, nothing less. If housing rules change and are retroactive, you will most certainly loose a few houses (and still have at least 1, which is better than having nothing like many players), but not your 8 characters. And by doing that, SE will do nothing wrong, since this subcription isn't about paying more to get more houses. It's about paying more to get more characters.

#1 i said nothing about any subscription fees or connections lol. i i sad comparing class class mechanics everyone gets to optional items you buy dosn't work. cause like me you can pay $18 to transfer to a server with more optional items like i did to get housing, you cant pay $18 to transfer to a server where you can get basic class mechanics to make you more powerfull.

#2 You pay for 8 characters equal in all rights none with less right then the other. that be like saying u have a dps on one you cant have it on another

[Sotatsu]

#1 i said nothing about any subscription fees or connections lol. i i sad comparing class class mechanics everyone gets to optional items you buy dosn't work. cause like me you can pay $18 to transfer to a server with more optional items like i did to get housing, you cant pay $18 to transfer to a server where you can get basic class mechanics to make you more powerfull.

#2 You pay for 8 characters equal in all rights none with less right then the other. that be like saying u have a dps on one you cant have it on another

1# Of course classes mechanics and housing rules are not exactly the same things. But stop trying to hide behind their differences. You know that's not the point.
My point was that if we pay the same fees, then we have to apply to the same rules as everyone. If the rules have to change, then it should apply to everyone. Not only new players. Especially if old rules are too permissive like it is now, and allow ancient players to have more privileges.

2# So now you are comparing it to class mechanics ? Your arguments are not very consistent.
Besides, if all your 8 characters share the same house, that mean they all have the same rights.

[Siniztor]

1# Of course classes mechanics and housing rules are not exactly the same things. But stop trying to hide behind their differences. You know that's not the point.
[B]My point was that if we pay the same fees, then we have to apply to the same rules as everyone. If the rules have to change, then it should apply to everyone. Not only new players. Especially if old rules are too permissive like it is now, and allow ancient players to have more privileges.

2# So now you are comparing it to class mechanics ? Your arguments are not very consistent.
Besides, if all your 8 characters share the same house, that mean they all have the same rights.

#1 we don't all pay the same fee . im paying for all 8 of my characters to have the same rights as the guy paying for 1 character. im not paying for 1 character with all rights and 7 minus the right to buy houses as it stands right now

#2 i was reffrering in this case to dps as in a class not a mechanic

[Sotatsu]

#1 we don't all pay the same fee . im paying for all 8 of my characters to have the same rights as the guy paying for 1 character. im not paying for 1 character with all rights and 7 minus the right to buy houses as it stands right now

#2 i was reffrering in this case to dps as in a class not a mechanic

1# That still don't change my point: if you pay for 8 characters as an ancient player, you should have the same rights as a new player who also pays for 8 characters after an update that changes the rules. Keeping your privileges after the update while other players, who pay for 8 characters like you, can't have the same rights anymore is totally unfair.

Also, let me clarify my previous post : you don't have 1 character that have all rights and 7 others that don't : they all share the same rights. If you buy a house with your first character, you can buy another house with your second one. However you will loose the first house you bought with the first character, because you don't need two houses, since all your alts share the same house. All your alts have the same ability to buy a house to share with the 7 others, so I don't see how you can consider that only one have full rights while others don't.

2# Okay, I understand your point but what I am saying above is not leading to the situation you describe with your class parallel. All your alts share the same rights and the same restrictions with the new rules.

We can argue about that hours and hours, and never agree, but the final decision for the next update is in SE hands.
Unless SE find a way to have unlimited house supplies, some players will feel aggrieved.
I'm just saying that limiting retroactively the housing system to house 1 per account is still a valid solution. It's not the best, but it's not unfair if housing stay limited as it is currently, and if we take other players rights into consideration, since we are in an mmorpg and not in a solo video game.

[Acilith]

It will free up like 50 houses to the 2000+ who need them. I don't think it's a solution at all, but I also don't think adding infinite wards is a solution either.

People will not want small houses, they'll want the medium+large houses, and that will soon become the next big issue. Hell, it already is an issue. The best thing they can do for housing is to give everyone their own instanced home that they can upgrade to larger sizes if they wish.