Locked out of future MSQ progression?

[Teraluna]

This is the MSQ we are talking about... Its over in days, its not repeatable.. You speak as if theres some kind of lasting progression to it.
I dont get it, nor any of these arguments brought up around it.

Neither do I, it is separate from end game dungeon/raids.
It can appeal to a different player profile, not interested in high end content.

People talk about stopping bad players, but overlooking the situation where you can idle around in PotD to get to lvl 70 if you really wanted - and that requires little knowledge of your class.

This particular solo instance teaches you absolutely nothing of your class. It is pure arcade reaction type spamming, something like missile command. How that relates to a player who's focus is group healing for example is beyond me, or a player who loves the story element whilst doing their chosen roles of various crafting professions.

The only outcome of a forced isolation in this case won't have any effect on 'good' or 'bad' players (to use those two extremes being painted on here). It does have the potential to lose players, who can be excellent at their trades or in group interactions, but aren't blessed with the reaction times of others.

I see nothing wrong with giving the option, and it would be an option (you can solo this to your hearts content if you want) of helping players through something this is separate from end game content.

[Claviusnex]

I have no idea whose posts you're reading. I never told anyone to leave over inability to clear content.

I think this is pretty much saying it in the quote below.

If you want to enjoy the story without playing the game, find a YouTube channel that will play the game for you or pick up less interactive games. And you know what's really good for queues? Forcing people to go through content, not splitting it into more tiers.

Tiers are not really unique content in relation to the MSQ. In fact I think you should be in love with tiers as it allows you to do harder level trials and raids without all of the riffraff. SE even made changed to DF and RF to help filter out lower level players this last go around.

As far a solo instances go, and I do like them in the context of the MSQ, they do little to help someone gain the skills to be able to do higher level combat instances. While they should have some challenge it isn't necessary and as I said in a previous post there is no reason you couldn't select a hardness level going into it. If you like the harder version then pick it. If a "good" player doesn't pick hard mode then it is their laziness that is the problem not the lower level players the setting was intended for.

This quest is a bit different from most MSQ battles in that it has a fail condition that isn't made any easier by the Echo boost you get from repeated losses.

Maybe they could have the Echo also provide a run speed increase to make the orbs easier to deal with?

As someone who raids savage on a weekly basis, I'll admit the last few groups of orbs made me sweat, so I can understand how less skilled players could feel overwhelmed by it.

Or slower orb speed, I can see that happening too.

Either of these would also be workable.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I've been watching this topic for some time. More than anything, let's not forget that the OP grit his teeth and pulled it off. Sometimes, you've just gotta do that. Doesn't mean the content needs adjusting. It means you need to make more effort. And they did. And they cleared it. To me, the topic ends there.

As for the rest, well, I can understand the reasoning of couples that play together. But! Assuming you spend all that time together in game, it wouldn't, and shouldn't kill you to have to do things on your own at times, and that's neither a hinderance of your enjoyment, nor a forced circumstance. It's just the way it is. The story is about you, your character alone. Your relationship status or who you play with or how much you play with them is irrelevant. I personally have thrived and enjoyed the game both when I was playing with a relationship partner, and alone, and never felt at a loss either way.

For those beginning to throw the "elitist" term around, stop. You're not only using it out of context, you're using it as a means to try and discredit people making valid points. We're level 70 now. When SHOULD it become a challenge? The devs have nearly rolled over a full 360 degrees to make content accessible and able to be cleared, but some challenge is and should be expected, especially 2 expansions later. Someone noted the echo had no effect on being able to clear it: that's because the Echo wasn't a failure buff this time. It was both immersion, and the "accessibility" from the devs. I'd imagine there was probably a harder version of this in development but they were told "it's too hard for the common player". Please note: I said common, not casual. Let that further quell any talk of elitism once and for all. That aside, this was a main scenario quest at level 70, and designed to be a situation where you need to act fast to save people. Act fast to save people. Make some effort! You're level 70 now. No one should need to do any handholding or whatnot for you to be able to perform basic maneuvers in a timely fashion. I've seen people fidget and run around faster just being impatient before a pull.

The rest, honestly, is white noise. MSQ throws a curveball every now and then, but not to the extremes of being unbeatable, as the OP themselves has proven. Reliance on another player is required for so much other content in this game that I think it's perfectly acceptable to require you to - again - perform the most basic maneuvers on your own at times. If you can't manage that, how can you expect to do more than that in a group setting, especially where failure to do your part will affect others as well?

[Llus]

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[HazyAssaulter]

This thread, with the edited OP, is the perfect example of "git gud".

OP got gud. Instead of waiting for the fight to get nerfed, he did what was necessary to complete it.

[TaleraRistain]

The story is about you, your character alone.

That's not entirely true. You're told to go find like-minded friends to take on dungeons and trials with. I think inclusion of others in a duty instance would be a similar situation.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Explain job quests then.

[Rymm]

I just... I don't get it.

It was hard, but you were still able to complete it.

Soooo... what's the issue? 0.o

[BillyKaplan]

That's not entirely true. You're told to go find like-minded friends to take on dungeons and trials with. I think inclusion of others in a duty instance would be a similar situation.

That's the game lampshading the fact there's group content despite the story not supporting it, and it's not even well done lampshade. In the entirety of the game, there is only the one instance where your party members are shown in cut-scenes and that's the level 50 MSQ roulette dungeons. Even after you beat Thordan, where it makes all the sense to bring backup, it's only you shown there, you alone, which gives all the more weight to him being so utterly terrified of you. That statement loses a lot of its punch if you acknowledge others were there with you.
Canonically, it IS you and you alone. And if canonically anyone else was supposed to be there, it's the NPCs.

[akaneakki]

There are a number of us that aren't what I would call bad players that lose reaction time and vision sensitivity as we age. There are places in the game that it wouldn't hurt anyone or obvious elites like yourself if SE were to find a way to accommodate them. Hopefully you will come to understand this but if not 60 is a lot closer than you realize.

So you are saying improving is elitist? Then you say if you struggle in a SOLO instance and trying to beat it yourself is also elitistm? This game needs a way for players to improve and honestly the mentality of yours is really bad in the first place. You are legit saying straight out it's fine to struggle and let someone do it for you.