Please Buff Tenacity So Tanks Actually Want To Use Tank Stance

[DRKoftheAzure]

And by buff I mean make tenacity stat increase attack power and direct hit rate stats so that way melding becomes less of a hassle for tanks and somewhat make crafted pentamelds not mandatory for clearing... maybe even have it apply to Defense and Magic Defense... it can do what it currently can do but also what I suggested for buffs...

[shao32]

and what tank stance do in this change?

[Kabooa]

If you buff tenacity it only makes tank stance less useful.

[RuneSevalle]

Not only is Tenacity (and crit) very likely to be the go-to stats in 4.2 and onwards, there is nothing baked into this stat that requires tank stance. Do you know what Tenacity actually does and how there's really only about ~1.5% difference between tenacity builds and DH builds? In exchange for better mitigation, which caps at about ~7% for the current caps, you ONLY lose 1.5%. Sure, some tanks will scoff at that, but it's decent enough that some tanks willingly take the tradeoff. Basically, what are you talking about?

[RuneSevalle]

So, what I'm gathering is, you want to NERF tenacity into a stat that only removes some of the damage penalty from tank stance. This will not make tanks use their tank stance more (though I do sometimes wish we actually had a reason, other than initial pull.) Especially Warriors who lose multiple high damage abilities based on stance. This is a terrible implementation for an at least understandable outlook, so you'll at least get some idealist props from me. That said, the meta of this game has been, and will foresee-ably remain DPS focused. I don't really have any confidence that tanks in this game will ever be quite as interesting as some other games' tanks were, for however brief those time periods were.
Tanks are really the most difficult role to design that both accomplish their goals, and satisfy the player with interesting gameplay. We're just sorta there.

[Kabooa]

Could make tenacity also apply to Defense and Magic Defense so it may make tank stance a bit more desirable but that may require A LOT of coding... but also do the things that it already does as well as the things I mentioned...

This doesn't change that nothing about Tenacity getting buffed means you'd suddenly want to go into tank stance.

[Hruodig]

You can do whatever the hell you want to tenacity, I'm not touching tank stance unless I absolutely have to.

Also pentamelds are not necessary to clear absolutely anything.

[Shinkyo]

Like everyone here, I fail to see what Tenacity has anything to do with encouraging tank stance.
You want to make tank stance relevant?
Nerf our survivability in DPS stance... To the point where DPS stance is too much of a burden to maintain for a long period (like cleric stance used to work).

[shao32]

excep you make tenacity "reduce" the tank stance penalty to 0% (or just buff our damage on tank stance) making each tank have to stack a certain amout to archive that and dont buff our dps ouside of tank stance you change dont offer nothing as you explain and tank stances will be stay as the most poor buttom of our hotbars, as longer the damage penalty exist tank stances will be useless at the current state.

[Khalithar]

Tenacity scaling right now isn’t going to be good, I don’t even bother with it. I’m getting better returns on dps in 1-4 savage using det/dh tbh. But I will second the notion that once we reach the next tier and have another ~30 ilevels, it may reach the light where it’s the go to.

For wanting to be in tank stance, I agree with the notion, really I do. But I don’t think tenacity removing the damage penalty is the way to go. I think all the tank stances should have the damage penalties removed and then altered to be much more interesting to make us want to be in the stance.