Can we as paying customers agree the lack of Housing is simply unacceptable to SE?

[blindtaleteller]

Nope I'm implying some players are more dedicated than others. God forbid I work *gasp I go to school * Double gasp * and I have family that was affected in TX and FL *Triple Gasp , and have a social life *Quad gasp...but hey maybe I just got lucky more than once.

Funny how you recognize your own time and timezone there, reinforced their statement in the same troll comment and the fact that it had to do with luck as well (which ideally shouldn't be part of it at all): and didn't acknowledge the fact that *gaspgaspgaspgasp* every single player has their own schedules and timezones, family and job and otherwise that don't match yours and are left out in the cold as a result regardless of dedication to the actual game rather than reddit.

[Elamys]

For the record, if Austin was severely damaged by Harvey, I'd be pretty surprised, given that it's inland and all.

[ManuelBravo]

Funny how you recognize your own time and timezone there, reinforced their statement in the same troll comment and the fact that it had to do with luck as well (which ideally shouldn't be part of it at all): and didn't acknowledge the fact that *gaspgaspgaspgasp* every single player has their own schedules and timezones, family and job and otherwise that don't match yours and are left out in the cold as a result regardless of dedication to the actual game rather than reddit.

RL is a terrible thing and I think everyone is on the same server ? -.- wait there are recommended servers based on regions don't they? No matter how you look at it everyone has some kind of advantage no matter what time Zone they are in one way or another. How you perceive it and juggle your life around varies. Life isn't fair yes I get that. Every person is their own world, noted. Everyone pays a subscription... get it? How the dice are thrown and how they land are up to each individual. Unfortunately it is human nature to strife and succeed. Those who have the Will, find a way. Those who want things handed to them, must take a number, wait for their turn, and keep telling themselves that it's normal. Good luck on that.

[Elamys]

I feel like a good question would be what could possibly be lost by changing the system so everyone can access housing? Don't say "other content" because that's not how game development works, they have teams for different things.

[Galaktica]

Nope I'm implying some players are more dedicated than others. God forbid I work *gasp I go to school * Double gasp * and I have family that was affected in TX and FL *Triple Gasp , and have a social life *Quad gasp...but hey maybe I just got lucky more than once.

B-but you're sitll implying that everyone can dedicate as much time to the game as you. For all I konw, you work part-time, take 2 classes a week, the most you did was give your family a call, and probably go out drinking one night a week - ultimately leaving you with plenty of free time. Probably not true, but my point is everyone, even if they're doing all those things, do them in a very different way on a very different schedule. Maybe, just maybe you have more time than someone else who does all those things and still doesn't have a house. Gasp.

Supply and demand basic business principle. Same can be said about market board. Buy low sell high people don't like it they can look somewhere else. Do you really think most crafters waste their time crafting to make and keep the market fair? Just like in RL it's to have a cash flow of funds.

Except anyone can enter the MB whereas only a select few can enter the housing market.

We are talking about optional content vs mandatory content. It really has nothing to do with the story line and just gives options to FC and people so logically it makes sense that it shouldn't be to the point where it is critical. There are options for players if people want to decorate there are games like the SIMS. IF it's an FC IT makes more sense to cut them some kind of break just based on optional content involving FC perks such as airships for Diadem even though they do provide access to it by other means.

Okay, what about non-story content? It is not mandatory that you do optional dungeons. It's not mandatory that you do 24-man content (you don't need to upgrade your gear. It's helpful, but not...dangit, what's the word? Oh, right, mandatory). What about the 8-man stuff like Omega? That's not mandatory either. So once again, by your own logic, it is completely acceptable that we limit access to those too. They're not mandatory after all so what does it matter?

Also, you're showing FCs unfair treatment with this optional content just fyi. Doesn't seem to fair, does it?

All players are ENTITLED to have access which they do.

Exceeeept, they don't because there is literally not enough housing for every potential player.

It's not SE fault if people are over demanding.

IT. LITERALLY IS. They made the game. They chose to add housing despite not having enough room for every character.

Besides with all the other optional content like PvP complains and such it makes more sense to address those issues before housing.

It depends on who you ask. A lot of people (I would suggest 'most' people don't care, but I don't have the data to back that up) don't even care about PvP. Does it make sense to work on PvP in those cases?

Also We are talking about spurs of player coming back when NEW content is presented, over all it dies down dramatically when most have completed it so it's dumb to over load teh servers with more instances than needed for that sake. It has gotten better over time and this time problems were fixed fasted than when HW was released.

Well, can't argue with that logic. It's stupid to make more instances than thought needed. They didn't make enough instances for Raubahn and Pippin on launch and that turned out fin-...wait...hmmm.

[ManuelBravo]

I feel like a good question would be what could possibly be lost by changing the system so everyone can access housing? Don't say "other content" because that's not how game development works, they have teams for different things.

Game development varies by companies and based on divisions. In this case housing is considered optional content as well as PvP.

[Elamys]

Please answer the actual question. I'd argue Gold Saucer is more optional than PVP or Housing, and yet we're still getting regular updates to that before anything else "optional"

[blindtaleteller]

Everyone pays a subscription... get it?

This is the part that you aren't getting, that goes hand in hand with that, and the problem of reddit's involvement even being a thing.

Everyone paid for full access to the game and all it's parts, it's expansions, and often pay more when they can afford it through subscription additions like retainers. Not just those currently with housing.

Go ahead and whine about how it isn't 'main' content again, regardless of the fact that it's content we all not only paid for: but are still paying for with our monthly subscriptions whether we have housing or not to support for those do who have it.

[KageTokage]

It's unfortunate that they can't go back and limit housing to one per account at this point.

I just know that a ton of people are going to try to scoop up Shirogane housing on alts, because most of the gathering bots I've seen own a house because they have money to waste.

[HyoMinPark]

First: Everybody is entitled to their perspective and I can respect that. I happen to be one of those players that pays max retainers, legacy player as well, and such so invalid context to an extend.

Okay? None of those have anything to do with the discussion at hand. Just because you’re a legacy player and pay more for extra retainers (news flash: you are not the only one) does not mean that you are more entitled to housing than someone who is not a legacy player, and who only has the 2 free retainers.

Second how is content being gated when everyone did and has had a chance at it?

No, not everyone has a chance at housing. If you were to take the player base and look at the number of houses available in-game, providing that one person owned only one house, and not a personal and FC house/multiple houses on their alts, less than 25% of the playerbase would be able to own a house, and reap from housing benefits (cross-breeding in gardens, and airship/workshop projects in terms of FC housing). How is that equal? And how is that not content gating?

This is taking into consideration one of the more recent census that put the active playerbase at around 800~900k.

Third: Why do you think more wards were opened and than stopped? There is only so much capacity for certain areas to ensure we don't get D/C and from a business perspective it makes no sense to build on older side of content. Therefor common sense wise, they are opening an area in new content. TO BE FAIR they are doing the transferring option so even older members have access to it.

The FAIR thing to do would be to let go of the housing wards, and shift to instanced housing provided to everyone.

Finally I rather, as a paying customer, have them fix more important issues and spend funds on newer content. Over all every one has and has had a chance to acquire housing. We ALL pay subscriptions and no one has more special privileges than others. The system is not broken, if there isn't enough supply to meet demand is do to various explained factors. Besides I'm sure most people would love to move to new areas or try. Some housing plots will become available and all that will determine who gets them is who can be creative and take time to get them. In other words it's not broken, it's more of the early bird gets the worm and those who snooze they lose.

Exactly, we all play the same sub, and all should have access to the same features. But, as it stands, with regards to housing, we do not. Less than 25% of the playerbase would ever own a house if players were not allowed to own multiples. You want to stress fairness, but your posts in this thread reek of entitlement and privilege. Please get off your high horse.