What if I don't WANT skills on my bar?

[DoctorMog]

But you won't be hurting for space on the bar in any way, so what's the problem...? Put them out of the way, and don't use them. You aren't gonna have to wade through seas of terrible abilities to get to the ones you like. You can arrange everything however you like, with the exception of removing them completely.

Look, I'm not arguing that I don't have space. I get that.

Why am I forced to have them on my bar?

Thats my question.

[Ruinaru]

Look, I'm not arguing that I don't have space. I get that.

Why am I forced to have them on my bar?

Thats my question.

I know you get that. I'm illustrating a point. Their presence isn't hurting you in any way, so why do they need to be removed completely? Why are you so opposed to them being there?

[Viridiana]

I know you get that. I'm illustrating a point. Their presence isn't hurting you in any way, so why do they need to be removed completely? Why are you so opposed to them being there?

Why should they be equipped if we're not going to use them?

Some people are minimalists, and just don't want "clutter" on their bars, even if that clutter is well out of the way. . .

[Jennestia]

Why should they be equipped if we're not going to use them?

Some people are minimalists, and just don't want "clutter" on their bars, even if that clutter is well out of the way. . .

I hate that I have to have an action bar and that they're going to incorporate multiple bars shown at once, I'm also one of these minimalists, however the fact we're getting skills trimmed and rebalanced there's a reason for it, much like the reason they threw in sidequests on a buggy game foundation was to get the system itself in and adjust it later.

Though no matter what SE does there will be complaints about it.

[Ruinaru]

Why should they be equipped if we're not going to use them?

Some people are minimalists, and just don't want "clutter" on their bars, even if that clutter is well out of the way. . .

Just seems silly to me to rule something out completely. Everything has some use some times, and I'm of the opinion that it's better to have access to as much as you can, just in case.

But if that's your opinion, you're free to have it. I'm in no position to say otherwise.

[Viridiana]

Just seems silly to me to rule something out completely. Everything has some use some times, and I'm of the opinion that it's better to have access to as much as you can, just in case.

But if that's your opinion, you're free to have it. I'm in no position to say otherwise.

Well, let's take the example from the same dev post. WS1 is your base, WS2 is +enmity, WS3 and WS4 are +damage. Now, if that's on a class that I only ever play to farm mats or to DD on bosses, WS2 is useless to me. Like, completely useless. Yeah, I could try using it for just plain damage, but why do that when a combo with WS3 and WS4 will do significantly more damage?

Conversely, if this is the class I tank on, WS3 and WS4 are almost useless, unless maybe we're on a burn phase of the fight and my enmity has a solid lead.

[Rjain]

Wow I think peoples' logic goes backwards some days.

That's like playing any other game where you have a skill list, like Final Fantasy IX for example. "What if I don't WANT to have this ability?" The ability is there. If you don't use it, sort it so it's in the last spot. Christ sakes. You didn't have any option whatsoever when it came to FFXI for that stuff.

[Answa]

Look, I'm not arguing that I don't have space. I get that.

Why am I forced to have them on my bar?

Thats my question.

The counter question is why do you care, since you're not hurting for space?

I currently only ever use my first bar. Everything else is macroed in. This will not affect me in the slightest.

[Griss]

Look, I'm not arguing that I don't have space. I get that.

Why am I forced to have them on my bar?

Thats my question.

Because people were screaming Class identity like mad people the first half of the year. A commonly known base skill set is the best way to accomplish that.

[Lavani]

Because people were screaming Class identity like mad people the first half of the year. A commonly known base skill set is the best way to accomplish that.

That accomplishes nothing, we know what skills each class has, we don't to use each one, or even look at their icons to differentiate "class identity"