Dear Healers who don't DPS

[MoroMurasaki]

All this sandwich talk has made me hungry.

Also just tossing out there that this is perhaps the furthest off topic thst we've gotten but the fact that that is debatable is really quite humorous.

Not to mention you're all sandwich elitists. Grilled cheese with tomato and avocado for the win!

Well the people in the UK have a horror of a sandwich called a "Toast Sandwich", which is literally just a slice of toast between two slices of bread.

I am not joking.

That's the most disrurbing thing I've read in a long time and I am rather active on the forums.

[magnanimousCynic]

Well the people in the UK have a horror of a sandwich called a "Toast Sandwich", which is literally just a slice of toast between two slices of bread.

I am not joking.

[Kabooa]

Well the people in the UK have a horror of a sandwich called a "Toast Sandwich", which is literally just a slice of toast between two slices of bread.

I am not joking.

This is why we dumped their tea into the Atlantic

[era1Ne]

Call me crazy but healers at max level should have learned their ABCs ages ago yet you've spent the last several pages trying to give them a pass. Yes, it's Expert Roulette but that doesn't change the debate since a good number of those healers move onto other content. Not very many of us will "call them out" per se. That doesn't mean we won't discuss it on a, well, discussion forum. If someone reads this thread and uses it to justify harassment, they were just looking for an excuse to be a jerk. That has no bearing on us or our opinions.

Not to interrupt your discussion with him, but this statement gets a bit to far imo, if you mean with max level healers at level 70, since maximize uptime or Always be casting is optimisation territory and most of the community can't do it for different reasons. For instance, how many healers are casting while walking for an mechanic? Even if we ignore this and technique like slide casting, then many healers still can't do abc properly. Of course, i don't know how you play, but i advice every healer to do an video and then look at your gameplay. It suprised me when i was an newer healer back in the day aswell.

What prevents them from necessitating a few quests where we have to heal NPCs? The level 52 (54?) White Mage quest requires you to heal and deal damage since you'll be overwhelmed if any NPCs die too early. Not every quest needs be like that, but more than one would be nice. None of this changes the lore or potential character development. It simply helps reinforce the healer role instead of making us a hybrid DPS. As for why the don't. Call me cynical, but I suspect because it's easier to program.

Could be. We won't know until we get an answer from them, but to be fair, i don't think they ever imagined this discussion going on forever or that some will use quest design to prove their points

[Sebazy]

Well the people in the UK have a horror of a sandwich called a "Toast Sandwich", which is literally just a slice of toast between two slices of bread.

I am not joking.

Fake news pls =(

[Gislin-Dahl]

Content is tuned at ilvl 330

Groups start attempting content at ilvl 320.

Healer DPS will be required for the later turns usually until you have a month or so of tome gear under your belts. More so if your DPS aren't top notch

99% of the game isn't at ilevel 330 (or 320). Endgame is not "the game".

Even in endgame content you shouldn't be in a random pug expecting everyone to be prepared to clear content above their ilevel. If you're not in a random pug, why aren't you handpicking healers who match your play style?

It's amazing that people will bitch and whine that players "ought" to be exactly as experienced, geared, and skillful as they are, while refusing to take responsibility for finding people who are exactly as experienced, geared, and skillful as they are.

If you don't like grouping with the dirty plebs then don't take the bonus pay from DF. It's pretty simple.

[era1Ne]

I can understand that some of you are getting "triggered" by the sometimes heated discussion, but Sebazy is one of the relaxed users and seems to be from forum experience alone an nice and helpful person. Also she/he stated just facts here and didn't made an arrogant or insulting statement or something. So pls calm down

[Tridus]

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Did you really just reply to something, out of context, from 83 pages ago? And do it in a snarky way that doesn't even address the point that was being made?

[Sebazy]

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I think you completely misunderstood my point =o

My comment was regarding Savage Omega and the mathematical requirement for healers to help DPS on the likes of O3S and O4S early on. This applied to both statics and pugs, naturally progression statics would be moving clear of this requirement earlier than your typical PF pug due to the higher average standard of play, but then you'll find that those healers will still be DPSing anyway. That's just the mentality that's required at that level.

It's not meant to be a snipe at casuals or randoms, I can promise you now that I didn't get an iLvl 340 goodie bag (Or any amazon vouchers ) in my mogmail when I put my SB code in. We were all under geared at that point.

Don't get me wrong, my static runs for an hour or two a week these days and that's that. I absolutely love raiding with randoms as it's the best way to scratch my progression itch until Super Savage hits, plus it gives a little more room for me to try different stuff. Sadly my best O4S DPS was helping a pug with 4 bonus members, I took what I learnt from that and smashed my previous best with my static despite it being an awful run on all accounts.

[Seredeelfer]

Not to mention you're all sandwich elitists. Grilled cheese with tomato and avocado for the win!

Whoah there buddy - you accuse me of being leet and mention avocados in the same paragraph? Have you seen the price of an avocado?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/09/news...oar/index.html

I only have 4.2 m gill, if avocados were bis how would I ever complete Sastasha?