4.1 and us tanks

[Claire_Pendragon]

worse, if that shake it off barrier its a thing we are complety doom, DRK need more love that WAR idk why they hide all the info about us.

I was annoyed it was a buff, since WAR is more of the "Attack to defend" like inner beast, but Shake it off does come at a cost, it requires shaking off one of your other self buffs,, like vengeance/thrill, which makes it less bad. but DRK is still in need of some help now.

WARs in a good spot, but the problem is, word of mouth puts WAR in a bad spot.

Most ppl fear bringing WAR over DRK, but in reality, once ur doing savage, WAR is easily the better, I actually groan when i get DRK replacements for our WAR.
Similar with other people ive noticed.
(I also groan when i get a DRK tank in Lv61-69 content, if they dont have gear above the iLv, due to their lower amount of CDs, and need to treat it like a Lv70 dungeon)

[shao32]

I was annoyed it was a buff, since WAR is more of the "Attack to defend" like inner beast, but Shake it off does come at a cost, it requires shaking off one of your other self buffs,, like vengeance/thrill, which makes it less bad. but DRK is still in need of some help now.

WARs in a good spot, but the problem is, word of mouth puts WAR in a bad spot.

Most ppl fear bringing WAR over DRK, but in reality, once ur doing savage, WAR is easily the better, I actually groan when i get DRK replacements for our WAR.
Similar with other people ive noticed.
(I also groan when i get a DRK tank in Lv61-69 content, if they dont have gear above the iLv, due to their lower amount of CDs, and need to treat it like a Lv70 dungeon)

yup, idk i dont want to take hasty conclusions until the patch notes are up, but for now looks pretty bad for us and they silence about our changes make me fear we just get minor adjustment becoming the new paladin of heavensward.

[Aana]

yup, idk i dont want to take hasty conclusions until the patch notes are up, but for now looks pretty bad for us and they silence about our changes make me fear we just get minor adjustment becoming the new paladin of heavensward.

Yes, lets please not do the hasty conclusions.

We don't know what kinda buff shake it off offers. DR? HP? Status Removal? Enmity reduction? Speed boost? DPS Buff? Who knows.

We don't know what 'activated by using other abilities' means. It could mean we need to build up say 5 stacks using CDs and be really hard to use once per fight.

It may be weak. It may be some stupid thing no one cares about for all this trouble.

"Other job adjustments" usually means minor tweaks like potencies which drk can get. Or they may get nothing.

We don't know. Please don't start whining about how fair and unfair the war/drk life is when we don't have any details about anything.

[Claire_Pendragon]

We don't know what kinda buff shake it off offers. DR? HP? Status Removal? Enmity reduction? Speed boost? DPS Buff? Who knows.

We know its a "Defensive buff party barrier" so not likely a DPS buff, since that woudl be offensive. If it requires a defensive CD like Thrill/Vengance, as they said, then it most likely would need to also add enough defense for the WAR to not mind sacrificing the CD. So most likely an AoE version of TBN. Status removal would sound reasonable, but is unlikely considering the cost. (and uselessness of not being able to remove anything important)

We don't know what 'activated by using other abilities' means. It could mean we need to build up say 5 stacks using CDs and be really hard to use once per fight.

It may be weak. It may be some stupid thing no one cares about for all this trouble.

depending on which translations u read, it says it removes all defensive buffs, so if u pop them all, it eats them all. (and increasing the effectiveness of the party buff)

"Other job adjustments" usually means minor tweaks like potencies which drk can get.

potencies is barely what DRK needs, which is why "other minor changes" isnt enough.
(Though a potency addition to blood spiller is needed, due to how TBN is a DPS loss, since MP is so much more valuable than blood, along with lost GCDs for both blood and MP by using the GCD.

WAR is already ahead, so its already within reason to be worried.
(Not like being worried does anything anyways)

[Aana]

(Not like being worried does anything anyways)

DING DING DING! We have a winner!

As for the potencies thing, people seem to have this double mind. On the one hand War damage is what makes it OP. On the other hand its focus on damage is why its a weak class that offers nothing. This forum is really confused when it comes to damage being enough. If you are in the 1st group, then potencies are a fine way to fix drk. If you aren't then pld is the only tank worth playing.

The patch notes will reveal all.

Ill just be happy if war gets something to use while OT. Pld can use CDs while OT to help people. I kinda like that approach. We have all these buttons that do nothing if we aren't taking damage. Using them to do something else when we aren't eating busters to the face is a nice direction I think.

[Claire_Pendragon]

We have all these buttons that do nothing if we aren't taking damage. Using them to do something else when we aren't eating busters to the face is a nice direction I think.

yeah, thats how I felt in my old raid group. (sort of, I was always MT, but felt that when i was OT for any reason, I wasnt able to utilize my CDs)
of course the correct way to use them, is to swap more often, so the tanks can stay out of tank stance longer (which for my current group, our tanks never use tank stances, not even to start off a fight, and they never swap, so our OT is "wasting" their CDs, even in O4S, our WAR is just using holmgang, and holding onto CDs they never really use.

while i was a fan of the "2nd reprisal" idea to WAR, this isnt completely against WARs play style, and since WAR always has inner beast, this is a good way to use up CDs.

(Still salty about DRK though lol)