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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrius View Post
    There's no shortage of tanks and healers.
    They just don't deal with the crap the dungeon duties give because people perform terribly and hence fall back to friends and fc members they can rely on.

    And no amount of carrot will change their mind about it.
    I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. I prefer casters to most other styles of playing. But, back at the beginning of Heavensward, I was getting sick of dps queue times, and someone suggested to me to play healer to avoid them. I was tentative at first but as I leveled I found out that not only did I enjoy it, I was actually pretty awesome at it too. So now I more or less main healer.

    A bigger carrot might entice more dps to try things out of their comfort zones and potentially there will be more healers/ tanks in the game in general. There will never be as many tanks and healers as dps, that's just a given, but more healers and tanks is always a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavrias View Post
    A bigger carrot might entice more dps to try things out of their comfort zones and potentially there will be more healers/ tanks in the game in general. There will never be as many tanks and healers as dps, that's just a given, but more healers and tanks is always a good thing.
    Or they actually tried to play a tank/healer and got turned off by the amount of responsibility and effort the roles brings.
    As mentioned before, the HW release brought a change in roulette queues in the first months, but fell back shortly in its old role demand.
    Carrot all fine and good, but once it starts to be exclusive items or bonuses solely to be received by playing the AIN in roulettes, then the forum will drown in complaints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrius View Post
    Or they actually tried to play a tank/healer and got turned off by the amount of responsibility and effort the roles brings.
    As mentioned before, the HW release brought a change in roulette queues in the first months, but fell back shortly in its old role demand.
    Carrot all fine and good, but once it starts to be exclusive items or bonuses solely to be received by playing the AIN in roulettes, then the forum will drown in complaints.
    But here's the thing, short of removing the need for tank/heal/2DPS, how do we go about fixing the queue times? I don't think interesting gameplay is the way to do it, because it's still the responsibility. I think you have to make it worth them taking on the extra responsibility in order to go for it. And I'd say for that, you need incentives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    But here's the thing, short of removing the need for tank/heal/2DPS, how do we go about fixing the queue times? I don't think interesting gameplay is the way to do it, because it's still the responsibility. I think you have to make it worth them taking on the extra responsibility in order to go for it. And I'd say for that, you need incentives.
    The reasons why there's a lack of these roles in these roulettes is simple, and can be applied to nearly every mmo with a western audience : People caused it. And tanks/healers had enough of those people and withdrew from solo queue - Why should they give their best when the others don't, and get away with it?

    I know, beating a dead horse and such, but that's how it is.

    If you want to fix it, you need to fix the people. Which I don't see happen anytime soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mavrias View Post
    Also what would there be to complain about? It's not like anyone could possibly not get those rewards. The only way to get the Warbear mount is by playing Warrior, AIN bonus is even more forgiving than that.
    Imagine the clusters weren't available to get from hunts and only through the AIN duties - The players who don't want to/can't play tanks or healers are screwed in their progression because of that.
    So you have to offer an alternative to acquire them or else the playerbase gets upset. And, frankly, if there is a other way, the majority will mostly likely pursue that path instead of stepping into the roulette, even if that requires more effort than surviving a dungeon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrius View Post

    Imagine the clusters weren't available to get from hunts and only through the AIN duties - The players who don't want to/can't play tanks or healers are screwed in their progression because of that.
    So you have to offer an alternative to acquire them or else the playerbase gets upset. And, frankly, if there is a other way, the majority will mostly likely pursue that path instead of stepping into the roulette, even if that requires more effort than surviving a dungeon.
    You can buy materia with gil from the MB just like you've always been able to do lol. The only thing adding clusters to the roulette has done is slightly lower the prices of materia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrius View Post
    Or they actually tried to play a tank/healer and got turned off by the amount of responsibility and effort the roles brings.
    As mentioned before, the HW release brought a change in roulette queues in the first months, but fell back shortly in its old role demand.
    Carrot all fine and good, but once it starts to be exclusive items or bonuses solely to be received by playing the AIN in roulettes, then the forum will drown in complaints.
    And as I said, that's fine, too. Tanking and healing isn't necessarily everyone's thing. However, there are definitely people who haven't tried out tanking and healing as well and there's nothing wrong with a little incentive to coax them.

    Also what would there be to complain about? It's not like anyone could possibly not get those rewards. The only way to get the Warbear mount is by playing Warrior, AIN bonus is even more forgiving than that.
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