If DRG could have a wyvern and high DPS

[NadienKirisame]

This is all very swell and probably works well in your head, you probably envision dragoon as an epic knight that slays dragons and saves the day and all that. But how is it going to work, really? I dragoon going to be the dragon killer? Is it going to outdo all other classes when it comes to dealing with dragon enemies? It makes more sense to see you in the belly of a dragon, really.

A dragon is going to be on the tip of your spear as much as on the end of a MNKs punch and in the end of the arm of a future DDing job. New flash, you aren't kaim Highwind, you aren't playing the SNES, you are playing an MMO where all classes are supposed to be equally balanced. Dragoon might just turn out in the end to be a DD that is obsessed with dragons, doesn't brush it's teeth to have a terrible breath and just turns out to be good at doing critical attacks.

Maybe there is some lore in there to convince you of otherwise and maybe you have a pretentious skill called "dragon slayer" and you dress up like Kaim, but in the end you might as well be as much of a dragonslayer as the person standing next to you.

Now that's the real gimmick.

Um you do know its Kain... not Kaim... just thought I would help you there ^^

Also he did not say dragon he said wyvern... wyvern is not a dragon actually and you probably could run your lance through it and kill it... just as a MNK would crush its skull in with a hard punch or kick and a WAR would cleave its head of with a might strike of its axe.

Wyvern /= Dragon just FYI

The cat is bemused =-.-=

[NadienKirisame]

Also it should be noted in a number of different contexts (books, movie, games, and comics) the wyvern is much much smaller then a dragon and so I could see it being lanced and such much easier then a dragon...

The cat is hungry =-,.,-=

[Reliquia]

Wyvern /= Dragon just FYI

I never said otherwise. To me it just seems that people are romanticizing the whole dragoon concept as dragon slayers without thinking about how the context is going to fit. Dragons should be end-game HNMs given their reputation as mighty creatures, how does that fit with dragoon as dragon slayers if they are just going to be as efficient as the class standing next to it?

[NadienKirisame]

I never said otherwise. To me it just seems that people are romanticizing the whole dragoon concept as dragon slayers without thinking about how the context is going to fit. Dragons should be end-game HNMs given their reputation as mighty creatures, how does that fit with dragoon as dragon slayers if they are just going to be as efficient as the class standing next to it?

Maybe DRG will get the "Dragon Slayer" trait that increases the dmg they do to dragons... this trait could fit in with how the dragoons of Ishgard have been fighting the dragons for so long and have learned a thing or two from those years on how to kill them better (as in weak spots and such).

The cat is bemused =-.-=

oh and the wyvern /= dragon was because you had quoted the guy that said the wyvern has a place on the end of his lance and you said dragon...

More edits... hmmm DRG in FFXI had a trait like this called Dragon Killer... FYI

[Reliquia]

Maybe DRG will get the "Dragon Slayer" trait that increases the dmg they do to dragons... this trait could fit in with how the dragoons of Ishgard have been fighting the dragons for so long and have learned a thing or two from those years on how to kill them better (as in weak spots and such).

The cat is bemused =-.-=

I gave that idea some thought and I can see it work if either:
1) There is a small boost and works as single target.
2) Or gives an entire larger crowd a boost, say for instance a party.

Other than that, if dragons are still going to have such a central role in the story regarding Ishgard there should be a fair share of dragon fights. It seems like the devs already mapped dragoon as accurate DDs with high critical chances, it would be hard to balance it out if they in addition to that have advantages against dragons compared to the other full DDs.

And the other DDs also have plenty of boosting DDing abilities that aren't restricted to the dragon family only. It still feels like a sugar coating, aside from the lore I need to see more before I am convinced of otherwise.

[Zanfire]

You do know that no matter what DRG will not have a wyvern until some time after v2.0? The pet system will not be put in until the game is on the new servers and engine... So pretty much what you want is DRG to start out as a none pet class and then about a year or so after it is out to suddenly become a pet class. Right because that wouldn't mess anything up at all with players after 1.21 and play style. BST and SMN will not come into the game until after v2.0 along with the pet system because they are full on pet classes. DRG will stand out from what we have at 1.21 (since none of the jobs are in yet you can't say now) because of the traditional DRG type abilities/items...

The cat is bemused =-.-=

a pet class wont be til then, but it does not make sense that he would ask about it this far ahead if there wasnt something he had in mind. If what your saying is true then we will have pretty much a full year without it...and by then (if they dont do much with the job, which for some reason i expect) then people will be bored enough to just want it for the sake of having something new to do.

[NadienKirisame]

I gave that idea some thought and I can see it work if either:
1) There is a small boost and works as single target.
2) Or gives an entire larger crowd a boost, say for instance a party.

Other than that, if dragons are still going to have such a central role in the story regarding Ishgard there should be a fair share of dragon fights. It seems like the devs already mapped dragoon as accurate DDs with high critical chances, it would be hard to balance it out if they in addition to that have advantages against dragons compared to the other full DDs.

And the other DDs also have plenty of boosting DDing abilities that aren't restricted to the dragon family only. It still feels like a sugar coating.

What if they gave DRG an ability like "Ancient Circle" the DRG could share knowlege of dragons to their party increasing party def and such to dragon attacks also slightly increasing party attack against dragon kind?

The cat is wondering =?.?=

[NadienKirisame]

a pet class wont be til then, but it does not make sense that he would ask about it this far ahead if there wasnt something he had in mind. If what your saying is true then we will have pretty much a full year without it...and by then (if they dont do much with the job, which for some reason i expect) then people will be bored enough to just want it for the sake of having something new to do.

Maybe you would have to wait and see... I can't and wont speak for the other people but it would not get boring to me then again I am different in that regard and many other regards.

The cat is bemused =-.-=

[Naylia]

None of these guys had wyverns...just because that's how the class was used in XI does not mean that Dragoon should necessarily be a pet class in XIV.

[Reliquia]

Maybe you would have to wait and see... I can't and wont speak for the other people but it would not get boring to me then again I am different in that regard and many other regards.

The cat is bemused =-.-=

If you take both abilities into consideration that depends on two things, how strong are the boosts going to be and are you going to make both abilities boost multiple party members? By knowing that information it needs to be balanced.

If you are going to make Drg as strong as for example mnk and in addition give them advantages over the dragons then you need to give mnk advantages in other situations. Are you going to compromise the dragoons efficiency in general settings as DDs just so that they can be super efficient against dragon types of mobs? That would result in a nerf.

If these dragon specific skills from dragoon are weak and are overshadowed by other abilities and magic spells, then doesn't that ruin their status as dragon experts/slayers? Wouldn't it then just be a visual gimmick with some story relevance?

I would say that these things worked wonders in the single player Final Fantasy games, but here there are a lot more factors that they need to bear in mind to keep everything on level in all situations. I think that this is what developers realized in FFXI and they decided that by at least giving dragoon a wyvern there was some sort of relevance, because I can't say that Drg was preferable over say drk when it came to Tiamaat or Nidhogg and the holy circle didn't exactly give it bragging rights either.