Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Sacred_Nym]

As much as I want to sympathize with you about some of the more recent additions (from wow *cough*) I don't get why you'd be using Living Dead more, it's on a 5 minute CD I think... Shouldn't you use it 2 or 3 times per dungeon either way?

I am kinda bugged by tanks holding onto their CD's "just incase" personally. I don't keep Bene and Tetra available through the whole dungeon because it's wasted MP and GCDs spent on healing. Isn't it the same with LD?

Normally I would agree with but in the case of Holmgang and Living Dead, I don't. These two abilities do absolutely nothing if the user doesn't hit 0 HP, which means that in order for it to be useful you have to use it as a panic button, or have prior knowledge of the content and discuss with your team before the run. Something you don't really get to do in DF, and is honestly a waste of time for dungeon content in general.

[Rhyku]

Ala Mhigo, paired with a healer who was more interested in AFKing than contributing to the party. TLDR: Suspect booster because she quickly ran out MP at Zenos by Holying repeatedly. Why? No idea. Didn't bother healing DPSes proper after Zenos' aoes, but chose to regen each one of us instead. DPS 1 flopped, I raised him and mana shifted her, and got a earful of "if you want to do my job, you can heal then!". Healer flopped next, and we left her dead. Got the job done with 2 RDMs dpsing and healing, and the healer had the guts to ask us for commends to get her crown when we were done.

NO.

[MoroMurasaki]

If they were DPSing then I wouldn't mind. But when they aren't, that causes an issue.

Oh for sure! I thought (based on the post that you were responding to in the post I originally quoted) that your complaint boiled down to "healers DPSing so much I have to use CD's" but if that isn't the case my mistake.

You are misunderstanding the problem, methinks. The problem isn't healers who DPS when healing is not needed. It's healers that JUST DPS. Period. Or they spam Medica 2, despite their tanks being low. The problem isn't healers throwing out DPS, though that only serves to make this DPS TRUMPS ALL OTHER THINGS meta that we're diving towards all the more cemented in these green DerPS players' minds.

I'm with you right up until the idea that healers DPSing responsibly is cementing the idea of DPSing irresponsibly in some players minds. That's sort of the equivalent of saying a BLM doing an amazing amount of DPS by limiting their movement cements the idea of not moving out of AoE for less skilled BLMs. One is an example of good play while the other is someone trying (and failing) to emulate that.

Healers who tunnel vision on DPS are definitely not using their whole kits and at the end of the day everyone using their whole kit irrespective of their role is all I'm advocating for.

Normally I would agree with but in the case of Holmgang and Living Dead, I don't. These two abilities do absolutely nothing if the user doesn't hit 0 HP, which means that in order for it to be useful you have to use it as a panic button, or have prior knowledge of the content and discuss with your team before the run. Something you don't really get to do in DF, and is honestly a waste of time for dungeon content in general.

I don't feel like that level of communication is necessary for those moves. If a tank knows to use it when they get low and it's up as a healer I can see the buff show up on their bar. The only way I can see that going poorly is if I somehow miss them using it (which would be hard, the buff is there after all) then count on them using it before it's off CD. That being said this hasn't happened to me so far in my year of healing so I don't think it's a huge issue.

I do agree it works way better with Hallowed of course but at the end of the day they all get the job done. Especially with the reduced CD on Bene in SB.

[EorzeaHero69]

I don't even know what game it is, but let my guess be WoW. We use provoke here, somebody asking a dumb question as of "do you have shirk?" should either be kicked or get a stupid answer. And just like the other person, maybe I am mixing up turns here, but were do you need provoke in O2?

In normal mode there is no tank swap needed, but in savage, you only use voke and other tank uses shirk every time they get 2 stacks of the frontal cone thing, either before or during tank buster.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Yet many tanks who became super-squishy with 4.0 still didn't want to use tank stance, so taking extra damage didn't work either. They just felt healers should pick up their slack.

They only take extra damage because many tanks were trying to push through leveling dungeons in Shire gear. A decent tank can do anything without tank stance on. The only exception being if the DPS massively out-gear them.

[KaivaC]

I feel odd reading these last few pages, because I have not gotten to the point where I am comfortable with dropping Grit while I am MT. Call it paranoia of losing aggro, but I'd rather not risk losing it to burst healing/DPS - with my luck, I'll lose the aggro in one of those moments and have to wait a full GCD before I can turn it back on to secure my aggro after Voke. I think I read something over on reddit that said something like 'If you can't comfortably tank in DPS stance, then you have no business being a tank in the first place.'

Suffice to say, I really haven't tanked much since then. I'll just deal with the headaches of being a healer.

[MoroMurasaki]

I wish people would just be clear and upfront when they need help with a mechanic, were that the case the Susie EX PF I joined probably could have cleared on the first try.

I understand Susie just fine but I personally don't feel comfortable entering a farm party without really having something down smooth. I know that isn't necessarily the case for everyone but I feel like it's common courtesy.

Joined a practice party that had "please have watched a guide" in the description.

As I knew about the fight and the party was full other than my cohealer at the time after saying our hellos I asked if anyone had any mechanic questions or wanted a refresh. Both tanks and at least one DPS respond that they're okay.

We get another healer and queue. Double WHM, yay! He even has 1k more health and MP than I do.

The first wipe happens because the same tank tries to handle the sword twice and my cohealer bails. I explain what happened and also mention the churning debuff and how that works.

Next time around we die to a combo of consecutive lightning attacks hitting the whole group and my cohealer just DPSing through on SCH.

Next time the tanks don't swap after stormsplitter and I can't keep up with the tank damage and Ukehi (and the occasional missed lightning move) with this SCH still pure DPSing.

This continues with us wiping to each new mechanic as we go then me explaining it again. We get the clear eventually and the SCH weapon drops of course.

On the up side I feel like I can farm this fight now as in all of those attempts I never really screwed anything major up.

[KaivaC]

I am kinda bugged by tanks holding onto their CD's "just incase" personally. I don't keep Bene and Tetra available through the whole dungeon because it's wasted MP and GCDs spent on healing. Isn't it the same with LD?

LD is definitely not the same. It has a slight delay after it activates and it only works if you hit 0HP during the 10 seconds or so that it is active. The CD on it is pretty long, and truth be told, DRKs really don't want to use it needlessly if there is not an emergency situation. Say DRKs do use it during normal pulls, and then something unexpected happens. Tank is taking massive damage with CDs and they need to pop LD...oh no, it's on a cooldown. There's goes your 10 seconds of invulnerability. LD is literally an emergency ability.

[JumperX]

I don't even know what game it is, but let my guess be WoW. We use provoke here, somebody asking a dumb question as of "do you have shirk?" should either be kicked or get a stupid answer. And just like the other person, maybe I am mixing up turns here, but were do you need provoke in O2?

Shirk is a new skill all tanks now have. At first I used it cuz I was in a learning and clear pts, but once I started to farm I didnt bother to have it in my hotkey bar. I got a few bad tanks asking if I got shirk. They didnt know to time the right moment to voke or tbeir enmity was horrible that I was able to take the aggro even going DPS stance.

[MoroMurasaki]

Say DRKs do use it during normal pulls, and then something unexpected happens.

I don't agree with this as the core of an argument because the counter to it is simply that +90% of the time something unexpected doesn't happen. I conceded that Hallowed was better at serving this purpose but that's all the ground I'm willing to give. I could pick literally any CD that isn't Cleric Stance as a healer and say that keeping it available might avert a wipe and I could be right but that's a very boring (and most would agree suboptimal) way to play.

I just don't feel the nuance you're trying to portray really exists. It's a CD and if it isn't seeing use it isn't helping you except to give you a false sense of security.