Edda's outfit is available now apparently.

[LaylaTsarra]

ThIt's amazing, it's like you instantly double the possible revenue or something.

So you want us to believe that making this dress available for cross dressers would double the revenue for SE?

[BillyKaplan]

So you want us to believe that making this dress available for cross dressers would double the revenue for SE?

Interestingly enough, I have never ran into people demanding female characters should not be allowed to wear the Best Man's set. So spare me.

[LaylaTsarra]

Interestingly enough, I have never ran into people demanding female characters should not be allowed to wear the Best Man's set. So spare me.

Your stated implication is that it would double revenue if this DRESS was made availabe to the male avatar community is blatantly false. You obviously have an agenda but don't expect people here to buy your line of fantasy.

[BillyKaplan]

Your stated implication is that it would double revenue if this DRESS was made availabe to the male avatar community is blatantly false. You obviously have an agenda but don't expect people here to buy your line of fantasy.

You double the audience who can consume it, therefore, you increase the revenue, especially over time. Furthermore, by making it accessible to everyone, you refrain from antagonizing people who would've loved to buy it for more than the one character, but cannot for their main and therefore are put off the costume as a whole. We have on the first page of this very sub forum quite a hefty amount of users who would've doubled down on glamours like this if SE had made it available for them.
But as implied by my last post, this entire circus is driven by a gross double standard and not a small bit of misogyny. "But Billy, they're giving women more outfits, how is that hating on them?!" because apparently dressing in outfits that are perceived as feminine (fun fact, clothes have no genders, they're piles of fabrics) is beneath male characters or SE would've gone ahead with it by now. The debate about how uncomfortable it makes the developers is all the more proof that is what this is about.

I absolutely love Aymeric's attire and Thancred's Modish attire (not to mention most of the male Garo sets are much nicer than the female counterparts), yet you don't see me crying on the forums because my female character can't wear them. I just accept it and move on.

A set called "Best Man's" is available to female characters yet the same can't be said for male charas and the bridesmaid's set. I have no better example to show the core issue at play here than that. It is not "oh I want that outfit but I can't", it's a systematic approach on the part of the design team.

[LaylaTsarra]

You double the audience who can consume it, therefore, you increase the revenue, especially over time.

First of all I suspect there are more female avatars in this game than male ones and secondly making female outfits available to the small audience that would like to be able to cross dress takes development resources that would be better spent else where in my opinion. If your concern is that males didn't get an outfit along side this one I can buy the reasoning for your concern but then again I don't believe that is what you'r upset about. You just want to turn this thread into another Males want to be able to Wear Female Outfits thread.

[Serilda]

First of all I suspect there are more female avatars in this game than male ones and secondly making female outfits available to the small audience that would like to be able to cross dress takes development resources that would be better spent else where in my opinion.

Second time someone has tried to brush this off in this very thread. Your anecdotal evidence is not fact.

Not sure there is solid evidence for this. If you look at sources like the official census, the gender splits weren't that dramatic at all: http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...e8ff1bcf34c5ae

If it's become worse since then, well, they've also been treating male characters like inferior customers since then. So it's likely a situation they caused themselves. Players who want the most content are going to be tempted to fantasia or quit when they keep being silently shut down like this. Correlation does not imply causation in every situation.

And however much people insist on turning this into a 'no crossdressing!' issue, it's not. It's just that it's assumed that it would be easier to adapt an existing design in a game where they keep forcing us to wear skirts and dresses and frills and corsets and flowers anyway than to make something new. If they had made a male-only outfit in the same gothic style with appropriate themed stylings, I think we'd all be too busy celebrating to even notice the forums.

I seriously don't know why people have to witch hunt our motives so aggressively instead of conceding that actually, the current design bias is a lame way to treat customers.

[Rokke]

I seriously don't know why people have to witch hunt our motives so aggressively instead of conceding that actually, the current design bias is a lame way to treat customers.

Bless you. Every time this convo comes up in the forums I get told "WELL JUST FANTA THEN" and I shouldn't have to. That they have acknowledged that theres an unfair tilt to female exclusives and still pump more out is sad.

[Alleo]

So you want us to believe that making this dress available for cross dressers would double the revenue for SE?

I play a female and I am a female in real life and I can understand the frustration from the male players..not only are some of them still waiting on their version of the bunny set..but would it really be too much to ask to make a male version of it? Maybe trousers instead of a dress.

I mean I am a bit miffed that the Aymeric gear set is male only even though we should be able to wear it.

In the end I am just sad that so many glamour wishes (and even emotes) are landing in the cash shop or are used in near impossible achievements for most players (like the tiger mount or the hellhound one). All of this could have been drops from content, may it be old or new one. People would log in to play it thus subscription money. Well good bye Edda gear, I will just never wear you.

Because they guessed that it was a cute hair for females and thus many females might want to buy it. More power to them? I know people want to see some sort of injustice there, but I can't share that view.

Wait so if we females might look cute in something we will get a gender unlocked part of the outfit but the males are not allowed to have that? There are probably lots of male gamers or just players with male ingame characters that would find certain female locked sets to be cute on them. Why should they not be allowed to get it? Why only us females? Also I am quite sure that there are enough females/female characters that would love to dress their character in Aymerics gear. There should be no reason (other than it costing them more time and money to make for all bodies..) to not have everything as gender unlocked..I mean people pay money for it so its not like they dont get anything out of those and on top of that these mog stations sets already exist ingame so they dont even need to create something from the ground up too..should be enough of a reason to make it possible to be worn on every body.

Also if people constantly find something negative then maybe its because there are much things to be negative about? They can make mistakes and as a paying customer its in our right to point out things that we dont like. Heck even the team itself pointed out that criticism is worth double a compliment. And I might complain a lot but I also give them positive feedback when I like something. But sadly in the past few months there is more and more negative points for me which are often part of their finance decision.

[Aylis]

not only are some of them still waiting on their version of the bunny set..but would it really be too much to ask to make a male version of it? Maybe trousers instead of a dress.

I feel that's exactly what the guys want. Just a simple variant of the outfit, to have a choice at least vs no choice what-so-ever. So many just jump on the assumption they want the dress version specifically. The fact that it's a cash shop item means there needs to be variants. Even in the most recognized Korean games, the amount of choiceless gender locked outfits is kept to a really low minimal. I'm perplexed as to why its flaunted here.

As a perspective...



This is Soha, one of the main characters in BnS



The two middle characters feature her outfit as it was sold on the cash shop for a time, both male and female variants. One obviously needs a bra, has more snug fitting jeans and a more exposed shawl. The redesigned male version obviously doesn't need a bra so it was removed, the jeans are more loose fitting and the shawl covers more of the chest.

I just don't understand why SE can't do the same and spend a week or two on an outfit redesign so at least the guys have a choice. Especially when real money is envolved.

[akaneakki]

I just don't understand why SE can't do the same and spend a week or two on an outfit redesign so at least the guys have a choice. Especially when real money is envolved.

Yeah, but then again... blade and soul not only make the gear different for the males and females but also the races. Some females have less gear than others, for example 1 wear miniskirt or shorts while the other one a long dress or jeans. Their money mainly comes from this and games like that vanity is a very big thing, kinda funny which ff14 is all about too. But I recon they would need to spend more ''resources'' on FF14 to do this, hence probably why they wont. But the thing is that males who complains about this often want to crossdress, which I have nothing againts. However Blade and soul doesn't do that, they make the gear just look more manly I guess.