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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    Is this really not true? As a direct result of her failure to continue the bombardment (thanks to Estinien), the alliance was able to survive the battle at Specula Imperatoris and move on to overwhelm the defenses at Castrum Abania and eventually lay siege to Ala Mihgo.
    nope, that's a perversion of "imminent", imminent only works if the target she was firing on was firing a cannon or missile of their own or setting off a bomb. like if someone took over a nuclear sub and is capable of launching nukes and you had to order a destroyer to shoot down your own sub with your own soldiers in it. if someone took over a plane and was flying a plane into a building and you had to order a fighter jet to shoot down a civilian plane. those are imminent.

    your "direct result" is trying to predict the future. she can't know and you can't know at the moment of her issuing the order that Castrum Abania would never fall and Ala Mhigo would never be sieged. even if she gets off 3 more shots, that might only delay Castrum Abania's fall by a few months. Castrum Abania is an event that happened LATER, it's by the very definition of imminent not imminent.

    your definition of imminent can justify all kinds of atrocities including mass genocide. your definition of imminent will nuke all of the Middle East and North Korea tomorrow civilian casualties be damned.

    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    Firing on her own people was, certainly, an extremely ruthless tactic
    Thus a monster, I didn't say monsters can't make effective generals. I'm also not making the argument that sometimes you might need a monster to defeat another monster.

    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    once she committed to it there was no good reason for her to have stopped, as it was, in fact, a devastating blow.
    she became a monster when she committed to the first shot, i agree there's no good reason for her to stop, since she's a monster.

    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    She didn't want to do it, but did it anyway for what she saw to be the greater good.
    didn't say a monster can't lead to a greater good. i think that was Vayne's driving force in FFXII.

    it doesn't matter that she didn't want to do it, she did it. lots of child molestors don't want to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    Certainly, her actions were monstrous, but her reasons for doing so were not. "Just following orders" may not be an excuse for wrongdoing, but it doesn't change the fact that the lion's share of the blame lies with the one giving the orders, not the ones pulling the triggers. Zenos is the true monster here.
    she gave the order, not Zenos, just because Zenos is a bigger monster doesn't make her not one?

    a rapist is a rapist even if they were raped by their father.
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    Last edited by SendohJin; 08-31-2017 at 04:05 AM.