Please scale the difficulty of Royal Menagerie

[bswpayton]

Your assuming a lot of things with no proof to back it up. I always stay to the bitter end on any groups I joined, may it be pug or other wise and majority of those groups people actually stayed until it was unreasonable, Meaning 10 mins or less,

All I was saying is people have clearly been complaining, the question has already been asked to the devs about nerfing it because its been in a live letter. This isnt the first thread asking for a nerf while I dont agree with a nerf I could understand why some people would want it is all Im saying. But if the devs have already been asked about it being nerf then clearly enough people have had trouble with this fight.

[eaudaemon]

All I was saying is people have clearly been complaining, the question has already been asked to the devs about nerfing it because its been in a live letter. This isnt the first thread asking for a nerf while I dont agree with a nerf I could understand why some people would want it is all Im saying. But if the devs have already been asked about it being nerf then clearly enough people have had trouble with this fight.

But if you noticed, the larger majority just on this thread alone, people said it can be done, so those people complaining are in a sense are a minority and their portraying themselves as a majority doesn't make the statement that "Royal Managerie is Hard" true. Using excuses like: "My Friend is sick" and "I'm only Casual" doesn't make it even harder, it just make them look more entitled.

[aesteval]

But if you noticed, the larger majority just on this thread alone, people said it can be done, so those people complaining are in a sense are a minority and their portraying themselves as a majority doesn't make the statement that "Royal Managerie is Hard" true. Using excuses like: "My Friend is sick" and "I'm only Casual" doesn't make it even harder, it just make them look more entitled.

If we're going to talk about majorities: are the respondents in this thread a statistically significant sample size? I'm guessing no. But the devs do have the data they need to know what's going on.

[Vahlnir]

All I was saying is people have clearly been complaining, the question has already been asked to the devs about nerfing it because its been in a live letter. This isnt the first thread asking for a nerf while I dont agree with a nerf I could understand why some people would want it is all Im saying. But if the devs have already been asked about it being nerf then clearly enough people have had trouble with this fight.

Or on the flip side, they could have seen how many people have cleared (which is a ton of people, mind you) and said it was fine as is. And it IS fine as is. If there was some glaring issue that made it impossible to clear for most then I wouldn't see so many around in tome gear, and the expert queues would be absolutely terrible. Don't need the actual numbers to see that something isn't a problem, honestly.

[eaudaemon]

If we're going to talk about majorities: are the respondents in this thread a statistically significant sample size? I'm guessing no. But the devs do have the data they need to know what's going on.

I'm only using this thread as a basis, I don't have any data on the overall thoughts of 100 active players, but that doesn't mean that OP or others should using: "Majority of the players...", "A lot of Players..." or "those players..." when them themselves don't have thoughts from 100 active players as well.

[MoroMurasaki]

I'm sorry but I feel like the people calling for this nerf are either very poor players who are unwilling to learn or they have psyched themselves out because of stories they've heard and poor experiences they've had.

I always do Trial Roulette on a 70 for the tomestones and complete my roulettes almost daily. I get RM every 2-3 days, more frequently closer to release. I have disbanded this fight maybe 2 or 3 times out of the dozens that I've done and I don't remember ever having a group without new players.

My only common denominator here is me. I am going to be secure enough in my midcore-ness to say that that I am not good enough to carry entire parties on this fight. The fact is while these fights have benefitted from having at least one healer comfortable with the encounter that can not save them from the overwhelming difficulty you guys are saying you experience.

I understand my anecdotal evidence does not trump yours in the court of public opinion but I want to encourage you to try this fight with an open mind if you're having trouble with it. I have seen all kinds of subpar players clear this; DRG's without heavy thrust, BLM's still using their transpose rotation, AST's without a stance on for the whole fight and even a PLD who started with broken gear that I posted about in the Tales from the Duty Finder thread. You guys who are on the forums and care enough to talk about this almost definitely trump these sorts of hyper-casuals.

Trust me this is 100% completable with only 3 members of a party playing decently. It sucks for those few people but it does proove that this doesn't need any sort of nerf.

[eaudaemon]

I'm sorry but I feel like the people calling for this nerf are either very poor players who are unwilling to learn or they have psyched themselves out because of stories they've heard and poor experiences they've had.

I always do Trial Roulette on a 70 for the tomestones and complete my roulettes almost daily. I get RM every 2-3 days, more frequently closer to release. I have disbanded this fight maybe 2 or 3 times out of the dozens that I've done and I don't remember ever having a group without new players.

My only common denominator here is me. I am going to be secure enough in my midcore-ness to say that that I am not good enough to carry entire parties on this fight. The fact is while these fights have benefitted from having at least one healer comfortable with the encounter that can not save them from the overwhelming difficulty you guys are saying you experience.

I understand my anecdotal evidence does not trump yours in the court of public opinion but I want to encourage you to try this fight with an open mind if you're having trouble with it. I have seen all kinds of subpar players clear this; DRG's without heavy thrust, BLM's still using their transpose rotation, AST's without a stance on for the whole fight and even a PLD who started with broken gear that I posted about in the Tales from the Duty Finder thread. You guys who are on the forums and care enough to talk about this almost definitely trump these sorts of hyper-casuals.

Trust me this is 100% completable with only 3 members of a party playing decently. It sucks for those few people but it does proove that this doesn't need any sort of nerf.

I like you

[Furiea]

don't play tank or healer if you suck at RM....tank or healer dying is why most RM fails.
Play DPS as a dead weight and you will clear this just fine.

or git gud... almost all the mechanics in this fight are from normal battles. SE just made a collection of them in 1 fight as a way of demanding players to step up.

[Zefiris]

Lately trial roulette love give me that in progress. And generally I need do roulette again...
But today with full party and without quit, was the first time that I survived to this fight. Well, I am noob, but iLvl 318 and 38k HP as bard is more easy survive against some aoe.

[HyoMinPark]

If the vendor wasn't gated (awesome gate , I doubt this thread would even exist. I will say if a healer is laggy(or has issues) and other isn't way over geared you will probably never clear. A fresh geared healer can't solo heal this. But it is way more forgiving then other fights, you can get raised even after falling off. A dps that can give out the odd raise helps greatly as well.

Catching up with this thread after not paying attention to it for a couple of days, but I disagree with this. I was barely ilvl 290 when I did this fight on my AST trying to help a friend clear. I was wearing my 290 artifact gear and ilvl 300 jewelry with my second ring being level 67 since I hadn't bought the Verity ring yet. Weapon was the Antiquated 290 weapon. I had zero issues healing this (and I was solo-healing for the most part since my co-healer was practically AFK the entire fight or napping on the ground), and I would consider my gear "freshly geared." I healed Susano Ex and Lakshmi Ex at a similar ilvl and both of those fights are more difficult than Menagerie. Obviously if the healer was in sub-67 or blow gear+weapon, yeah they would probably struggle. But a freshly geared level 70 healer? If they are half worth their salt, they shouldn't struggle.