Please scale the difficulty of Royal Menagerie

[Daralii]

Ummm no. Not even close. Try them again with i200 gear synced and come back to us with the whole Royal Menagerie is more difficult.

Unsynced Ifrit EX is probably harder than normal Shinryu, just because people keep trying to burn him down and getting screwed by skipping nail phases. Moggle Mog EX has a similar issue.

[bswpayton]

Unsynced Ifrit EX is probably harder than normal Shinryu, just because people keep trying to burn him down and getting screwed by skipping nail phases. Moggle Mog EX has a similar issue.

this is totally untrue , and I love how this thread is going all these people like oh dont nerf it are probably the main ones who will leave after two wipes if someone is slow to learn the fight. And I have stated clearly this isnt a fight that needs to be nerfed but for a normal fight this is hard to alot of people whom dont do harder content in the game. And its not like the people here gona sit there and do 50 mins of wiping until some of those same people get a grasp on the fight.

[Zhamkyong]

this is totally untrue , and I love how this thread is going all these people like oh dont nerf it are probably the main ones who will leave after two wipes if someone is slow to learn the fight. And I have stated clearly this isnt a fight that needs to be nerfed but for a normal fight this is hard to alot of people whom dont do harder content in the game. And its not like the people here gona sit there and do 50 mins of wiping until some of those same people get a grasp on the fight.

As someone who usually sits until everyone leaves, this offends me.

Bad jokes aside about offending (it doesnt, in case you are still wondering) i am one of those guys who enter and helps with Ex trials with clears and such if i have the time, so your theory must be a bit wrong. And yes, Ifrit EX is more punishing than Shinryu. And i can think of a couple of more fights who are more difficult and are in the game since ARR.

[bswpayton]

As someone

well your def the exception as opposed to the rule I havent done this fight in a while myself no need to and Im glad the trail roullete stopped forcing me into it , but the thing is as it stands now this fight is harder than some current synced primals like Ive already stated. Nobody is talkin about at mim ilvl as it stands now Shinryu is a harder fight than the current guarda ex, bismark ex, and ifrit ex at the least. I honestly would say its harder than v1s had more fail groups in shinryu than I did when I was learning v1s and also laksimi ex as well. And the argument that oh people have seen these mechanics before where was that in a game where everyone is asked to run old content unsync where is someone fresh gona see these mechanics so yea maybe people who got to actually play content, but anybody just now joining hasnt seen any of these mechanics for real.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

I honestly would say its harder than v1s had more fail groups in shinryu

RM is hard because it hits hard, yeah... but not hard enough to be impossible to do for the first rushers at ilvl 290... Yeah, it was hard, at that time, but we succeeded with all first timers in five tries. Granted, we were rushers, so kinda midcore/hardcore players, we can't expect everyone to know how to adapt and react as quickly, sure. But as long as there's one raid leader that explains the mechanics at the beginning of the fight, and helps people throughout the fight by telling them to stop moving when he casts his icy thing, or go in the puddles when he casts his fiery thing, it all goes well, and believe me, I helped many people through it in the first two weeks of stormblood.

LineageRazor is right, most people try to help, and, if they're properly lead, they will help. Of course, you can't just take a sprout there and ask him to do the fight perfectly... But I've made this fight dozen of times, helping friends, or just queueing for it to help people out, and I've never had a timer run out in this trial. Some parties may have disbanded, but there were less than one in five.

White knighting is fine, but please, if we'd be a better community, we'd have no need to nerf any fight.

[missybee]

And its not like the people here gona sit there and do 50 mins of wiping until some of those same people get a grasp on the fight.

Who still takes 50 minutes to beat RM?

Anecdotal, of course, but my RM group had about five people (including myself) who were going in totally blind. We wiped once, and then we cleared it.

So, no...I wouldn't wait 50 minutes, because that would mean several people are doing things VERY incorrectly.

I honestly would say its harder than v1s

Alte Roite is a piece of piss, but that fight is still very easy to flub up if people are dingdongs with positioning. Not to mention, you have to have at least one healer on their game lest Charybdis + Lightning destroy the tanks and then the run itself.

So I would still argue very strongly against your statement.

[bswpayton]

Who still takes 50 minutes to beat RM?

Regardless we are talkin a savage raid in comparison to a msq that everyone does while savage is something that very few people even do are attempt. A normal mood story fight on the level of content thats suppose to be harder than other stuff in the game. Like I said I havent gotten in there for a while but when I was doing it because the trial roullete force fed me into it I recall one time where Three times back to back it put me in there resulting in three vote abandons.

[missybee]

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I understand what you are saying, but I still contend that RM is fine at its current difficulty, and isn't really comparable to either Extremes or Savage.

Hell, I've personally had more success when I get RM in Trial Roulette than when I get Susano (as in, I have won RM all of the times I've gotten it, and lost Susano all of the times I have gotten it...which is really sad).

[eaudaemon]

this is totally untrue , and I love how this thread is going all these people like oh dont nerf it are probably the main ones who will leave after two wipes if someone is slow to learn the fight. And I have stated clearly this isnt a fight that needs to be nerfed but for a normal fight this is hard to alot of people whom dont do harder content in the game. And its not like the people here gona sit there and do 50 mins of wiping until some of those same people get a grasp on the fight.

Your assuming a lot of things with no proof to back it up. I always stay to the bitter end on any groups I joined, may it be pug or other wise and majority of those groups people actually stayed until it was unreasonable, Meaning 10 mins or less, I never done EX during Heavensward, tried and failed a few on ARR, and just getting the knack of it on SB, but I still finished Royal Menagerie with a pug from Duty roulette, oh and I also qued for more than 12 times to finish it, so all these statements from your post is malarkey as far as I'm concerned

[bswpayton]

Your assuming a lot of things with no proof to back it up. I always stay to the bitter end on any groups I joined, may it be pug or other wise and majority of those groups people actually stayed until it was unreasonable, Meaning 10 mins or less,

All I was saying is people have clearly been complaining, the question has already been asked to the devs about nerfing it because its been in a live letter. This isnt the first thread asking for a nerf while I dont agree with a nerf I could understand why some people would want it is all Im saying. But if the devs have already been asked about it being nerf then clearly enough people have had trouble with this fight.