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  1. #31
    Player
    Ags's Avatar
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    Ags Firewing
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 70
    Thanks, everyone! I really really appreciate it so much! I LOVED my warrior in HW and was really enjoying it in my dungeon runs, so I will stick with it. I was forcing myself to like DRK because I had thought it was so much better than WAR, but I don't want to do that anymore. I also enjoy the WAR job questions, Curious Gorge is extremely entertaining.

    LAST 2 Questions, promise!

    When LEVELING in SB Dungeons, I know that tanks can no longer roll need on STR accessories, but I do have some i270 STR accessories that I can wear.

    1) Should I be wearing some or all STR accessories while leveling (pre fending accessories that give both), or all VIT? Not talking about melds here.
    2) When do fending accessories start to give STR?
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  2. #32
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Character
    Deceptus Keelon
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ags View Post
    1) Should I be wearing some or all STR accessories while leveling (pre fending accessories that give both), or all VIT? Not talking about melds here.
    2) When do fending accessories start to give STR?
    As a healer, please do NOT do this. Your primary stat is Vit, stick with it.
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  3. #33
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    BluexBird's Avatar
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    Character
    Blue Bird
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    I believe all the level 70 tank accessories will give you STR, but it won't be as much as the ilvl 270 slaying ones.

    You're perfectly fine using the slaying accessories for dungeons, though once you start doing the new Extreme trials, you'll want to do an "upgrade". Your damage will take a slight hit, but at least your healers won't complain.
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  4. #34
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    Shinkyo's Avatar
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    Fayhd Apollo
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ags View Post
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    Hope you'll enjoy WAR as much as in HW.
    I personally like it even better in SB and I find it the most fun (DRK being 2nd from a fun factor).

    For accessories, fendings have STR starting ilvl290 but only the 320 are equivalent to the 270 STR ones.
    I've worn a mix of 3 STR and 2 VIT while leveling for safety since you don't know what you get teamed up with in pugs.
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  5. #35
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    Warkupo's Avatar
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    Character
    Akos Talon
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    Mateus
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    Eventually, the STR on our new stuff will outweigh the STR in the i270 stuff. As always, the conversation with STR vs VIT is whether or not you can perform your tanking duties without the extra VIT. I personally find that more VIT lets me play more aggressively, so I don't even always look at it as VIT = TANK and STR = DAMAGE either.
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  6. 08-30-2017 02:10 AM

  7. #36
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    Claire_Pendragon's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Character
    Claire Pendragon
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 100
    When it comes to SB leveling dungeons STR vs VIT,
    from a healers perspective mainly, it depends on many factors, all of which are extremely important.
    Your gear.
    If you're using the gear from the prior dungeon, please use the VIT, even with decent CD management, you can still be hit with all crits, and die in a single GCD.
    (Unless you're doing 1 group pulls, then you're probably fine in STR)
    If your gear is the same as the dungeons (but not higher), and your healers gear isnt fully up to par, or is a SCH, chances are, you're going to wipe on 2 group pulls with full STR in certain spots. (some spots are easier and harder, usually its within the 1st 3 groups that mobs hit harder than the rest of the dungeon)

    If your gear is above the dungeon, and so is your healers, you can still wipe if you and your healer dotn manage CDs properly.

    Then hit Lv70, and suddenly every SB dungeon is faceroll easy, because you can out gear a dungeon so darn easily.
    go ahead, go full STR, unless you're both severely undergeared, and dont use CDs, I doubt you'll die on a pull, unless its some sort of "4+ groups of mobs" pull.
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    CLAIRE PENDRAGON

  8. #37
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    Hierro's Avatar
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    Character
    Ziero Rehw-bidit
    World
    Malboro
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Umbeliel View Post
    Objectively, yes it's weak.
    Did you miss the posts where WAR's toolkit allows it to tank the entire tier without difficulty? Clearly, that is OBJECTIVE proof its mitigation is up to par. Well, what about damage? Objectively, fflogs shows WAR puts out the highest damage on the entire tier as well. Where do you get off on saying it's weak?
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  9. #38
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    Launched's Avatar
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    Character
    Rys Sol
    World
    Omega
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hierro View Post
    Where do you get off on saying it's weak?
    Probably the point where tank DPS is actually incredibly close, PLD/DRK aren't any harder to heal, and WAR has no utility despite all that. A WAR doesn't make clears faster or safer, FFlogs shows that.
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  10. #39
    Player
    Shinkyo's Avatar
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    Character
    Fayhd Apollo
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
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    There's a difference between WAR not bringing significant advantage to the group and being straight weak (which implies it's actually detrimental).
    Plus fflog doesn't show anything, it's different range of player percentiles and different party comp.
    On the combined tank damage ranking of NeoEX, 6 of the top 10 tank combos are PLD/WAR.
    The number one speed kill has the top place mostly because of their 3 melee comp.
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  11. #40
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    Mirateski's Avatar
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    Character
    Ar'telan Qin
    World
    Omega
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 70
    Unless you're shooting for world first clears/99th percentile fflogs parses, play what you like and what looks cool.

    And let's be honest, not even passage of arms can top the super awesome fiery eyes of anger from inner release.
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