CNJ = WHM and THM = BLM

[Wynn]

Our next class revamps will not alter the fundamentals of each class.

As such, some details will be changed, but there will not be any major changes for classes.

Of course, if there are many demands for change after we release the details of the class revamps, we will look into those demands.

I'm not sure how to react to this. I would say nukes are a fundamental aspect of CNJ and are NOT a fundamental aspect of THM. So is he saying THM will not get the nukes? Will BLM be reduced to a debuff class and elemental nukes will just go unused since melee will be screaming "Stop casting Fire II and HEAL!!!1!!"?

Please tell me I misunderstand the implications of this.

[KaplanHomahru]

I'm not sure how to react to this. I would say nukes are a fundamental aspect of CNJ and are NOT a fundamental aspect of THM. So is he saying THM will not get the nukes? Will BLM be reduced to a debuff class and elemental nukes will just go unused since melee will be screaming "Stop casting Fire II and HEAL!!!1!!"?

Please tell me I misunderstand the implications of this.

Both classes have always been about both healing and nuking, after the most recent changes THM is a better nuker than CON, and CON is a better healer than THM. I don't know why you think nukes are not fundamental to THM when THM has always had high level nukes, and now a THM outnukes a CON pretty much 100 percent of the time.

[Wynn]

Both classes have always been about both healing and nuking, after the most recent changes THM is a better nuker than CON, and CON is a better healer than THM. I don't know why you think nukes are not fundamental to THM when THM has always had high level nukes, and now a THM outnukes a CON pretty much 100 percent of the time.

A THM has two basic attack (nuke) spells and one other that they get later on. I would not call that fundamental to the role of THM. Status effects are a defining characteristic however.

[KaplanHomahru]

A THM has two basic attack (nuke) spells and one other that they get later on. I would not call that fundamental to the role of THM. Status effects are a defining characteristic however.

So even though THM nukes do more damage, thus making it the superior nuker you are saying nuking cannot be a fundamental part of the class because CON has a wider variety of less potent nukes? Well then I guess we just don't see eye to eye. My main point was this: both classes have always healed and nuked, and they will probably continue to do both. THM could get the elemental spells for BLM and CON gets scourge/banish to nuke when it isn't WHM.

Both classes are, fundamentally, magic users that can cast healing/nuking/buffing/debuff magic...after the changes they will still be magic users that can cast healing/nuking/buffing/debuffing magic...thus fundamentally unchanged.

[Darkhaund]

Mmmmm

Am I the only one that thinks that they are making up a frankenstein of a game?
Seems that their desire or need to keep some elements from the game is making it worse than better.

All this cnj with al the nukes will be the whm makes no sense at all

[Bowen]

Mmmmm

Am I the only one that thinks that they are making up a frankenstein of a game?
Seems that their desire or need to keep some elements from the game is making it worse than better.

All this cnj with al the nukes will be the whm makes no sense at all

IDK, you still need a part of THM to become a WHM anyway. . .

[Answa]

A THM has two basic attack (nuke) spells and one other that they get later on. I would not call that fundamental to the role of THM. Status effects are a defining characteristic however.

Maybe you should've read this sentence?

Following that we will be announcing the new abilities, actions and traits for each class.

Why is this thread still open?

Because the devs posted on it with more bait. :P

[Wynn]

Maybe you should've read this sentence?

No, I read it. But I also read this, which makes the point you are trying to make irrelevant:

Our next class revamps will not alter the fundamentals of each class.

As such, some details will be changed, but there will not be any major changes for classes.

[Answa]

No, I read it. But I also read this, which makes the point you are trying to make irrelevant:

He won't change the fundamentals because of lore and if nukes were to be changed outright, CNJ would not be able to solo. We know this. THM is probably getting some more nukes.

[whoopeeragon]

I'm not sure how to react to this. I would say nukes are a fundamental aspect of CNJ and are NOT a fundamental aspect of THM. So is he saying THM will not get the nukes? Will BLM be reduced to a debuff class and elemental nukes will just go unused since melee will be screaming "Stop casting Fire II and HEAL!!!1!!"?

Please tell me I misunderstand the implications of this.

Twelve forbid jobs taking abilities from more than just their own branching class. I haven't specifically seen a post saying that jobs are limited to their own branching class, just that they get less diverse options (unless I somehow missed out on that very important point). So the elemental skills may be available for Black Mages to take from the Conjurer branch.