Is Susano Axe better than Lost Allagan Axe?

[Freyyy]

If you have a 30% crit rate but only your Heavy Swings crit hit, then it's not doing much for you. On the other hand if all your FCs crit it's a godly damage difference. So how do you compare?

That's precisely why average exists. Crit isn't harder to calculate than any other stats.

[whiskeybravo]

That's precisely why average exists. Crit isn't harder to calculate than any other stats.

Either way. Everyone's situation is going to be different. From the other tanks I talked to, absolutely zero recommended getting the weapon - unless I could upgrade it right away. Gear was the better option for me but if other people want to get the weapon, have at it.

[MauvaisOeil]

People often talk about what they don't know or don't understand. trading 25k crits for 24500 ones is not a DPS loss as it will be compensated somewhere else. Critical hit is, as said before, as easy as other stats to be averaged. Because you cannot anticipate what will be your exact critical hits over a 2 min session, you can average it over an infinite number of rolls and that's where you will see the true benefits.

However, if the weapon is less of an ilvl bump for you because you already have a 320 weapon and only 310 armor pieces, then it might not be the BEST gain right now. But it will still be one.

[whiskeybravo]

People say it's easy yet has anyone produced stat weights, or are they just sitting around waiting on Dervy to do it?

However, if the weapon is less of an ilvl bump for you because you already have a 320 weapon and only 310 armor pieces, then it might not be the BEST gain right now. But it will still be one.

For the record I am replacing 320 gear. So the comparison I posted was 320 axe + 330 legs and feet vs 330 axe + 320 legs and feet. More stats all around sticking with 320 weap, which brings the difference down to less than 1 WD, regardless of what 1 WD is actually worth.

[BluexBird]

I used my tomes of creation to get the Allagan armor instead of the weapon. This week I cleared V4S for the first time, and guess what I get? The armor...

Am I mad? No. Because it's not nearly as worse as it would have been had I used the tomes for the weapon instead, and ended up with the Genji axe from Exdeath. Plus the creation armor seems to be way better than the Genji one anyways.

Bottom line is - don't get the weapon unless you're not planning on clearing Savage anytime soon.

[Quri]

I used my tomes of creation to get the Allagan armor instead of the weapon. This week I cleared V4S for the first time, and guess what I get? The armor...

Am I mad? No. Because it's not nearly as worse as it would have been had I used the tomes for the weapon instead, and ended up with the Genji axe from Exdeath. Plus the creation armor seems to be way better than the Genji one anyways.

Bottom line is - don't get the weapon unless you're not planning on clearing Savage anytime soon.

Creation armor is just about better than genji, only a few pieces are better. Creation weapon is better than 320 weapon seeing how you're not guaranteed a drop. Though I have 340 armor in all slots, so it's probably not a big deal for me, on the other hand I'm starting on V4S.

[RLofOBFL]

With the way stats are done currently, right now 1 WD is worth roughly 800 secondary stats according to theorycrafting in Discord, add that to the natural str boost from higher ilvls and in no case scenario would you take anything over WD.

[whiskeybravo]

With the way stats are done currently, right now 1 WD is worth roughly 800 secondary stats according to theorycrafting in Discord, add that to the natural str boost from higher ilvls and in no case scenario would you take anything over WD.

I'm in no position to argue the details of individual stat weights, but I'd like to simply point out that stat weights are not equal. "800" worth of which secondary? Surely 800 DH is greater than 800 skill speed? And secondly, I've demonstrated that "natural str boost from higher ilvls" is higher by equipping 2 pieces of 330 gear vs only the 330 weap. So you can't say boosts from higher ilvl are exclusive to the weapon.

[MauvaisOeil]

I'm in no position to argue the details of individual stat weights, but I'd like to simply point out that stat weights are not equal. "800" worth of which secondary? Surely 800 DH is greater than 800 skill speed? And secondly, I've demonstrated that "natural str boost from higher ilvls" is higher by equipping 2 pieces of 330 gear vs only the 330 weap. So you can't say boosts from higher ilvl are exclusive to the weapon.

Maybe I missed but, what specific pieces did you replace in your example ? If it's Chest and legs it's far more expensive that the weapon itself. It's is 2 items throught chest/gloves/boots it's around the same cost, but you only get 2x9str by upgrading from 320 to 330, which is then 18 STR.

The weapon itself, will give you 16 STR AND 1 weapon damage. That means 2 less STR for 1 weapon damage (plus the mixing of secondaries, of course).

What replacement did you take into consideration ? Were they more expensive than 1000 tomestones ?

[RLofOBFL]

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I'd copy paste the math but I only Screencapped it. Essentially it's like 100 str is worth 43% of 1 WD and secondaries are weaker than STR by factor of 10, with the absolute highest possible secondary being worth 30% of 1 point of STR so even if you had 250 of an amazing secondary you'd only be at 30% of 1 WD, so you'd need around 830ish direct hit let's say, to match 1 WD.

Secondaries don't weigh very much either, as full pentamelded DH on a tank will only be 1.5% stronger versus pentameled tenacity, but tenacity will boost your natural damage reduction by 5%.