Confusion: Archer to Bard? Where is the Ranger Job?

[grandm]

I know what bards use and how they play that's not the issue. The issue is the move from a full on a DD to something that is not a full on DD. I have no problem with the job bard, but a DD job is probably going to be taken away and moved to support with this transition. I don't feel that it is correct move, I think they should add bard as its own separate job and start a specialization of support jobs from it.

you agree that we need a support class/job?
you agree that a bard using a ranged weapon makes sense?
i wonder if you agree there is too many DD's in the game. i'm guessing they feel they need a support class/job urgently and its something that can't wait. for the new jobs already they have to create new quests, gear, lore, abilitie's(probally). this would take time and a job is not as big as a class, to create a new class would take a lot more work than to create a job. so if they need a support class/job quick the best time for it to come in is with the jobs. if they have to many DDs one DD was going to lose out. bard is ranged archer is ranged. and thus we have this. strange i expected this rukus over the mages getting black and white more than the bard

[JudgeN]

What class would you propose job stems from?

If you really want to know, CNJ would have never had nukes those would have went to THM from the get go to start out. Then it would have followed this.

GLD=PLD
MRD=WAR
CNJ=WHM & BRD
THM= BLM & DRK
ARC = RNG
PUG = MNK

you agree that we need a support class/job?
you agree that a bard using a ranged weapon makes sense?
i wonder if you agree there is too many DD's in the game. i'm guessing they feel they need a support class/job urgently and its something that can't wait. for the new jobs already they have to create new quests, gear, lore, abilitie's(probally). this would take time and a job is not as big as a class, to create a new class would take a lot more work than to create a job. so if they need a support class/job quick the best time for it to come in is with the jobs. if they have to many DDs one DD was going to lose out. bard is ranged archer is ranged. and thus we have this. strange i expected this rukus over the mages getting black and white more than the bard

Lets not put words in my mouth, the game has a support class. Its THM with the recent nerfs to put CNJ in front runner on healing.

Bards do use a range weapon no argument there.

Do I feel like we have to many DD? Not at all.

I just don't feel like everything is black and white, and I know there are people out there that like the role of a range heavy DD without having to do buffs.

[grandm]

If you really want to know, CNJ would have never had nukes those would have went to THM from the get go to start out. Then it would have followed this.

GLD=PLD
MRD=WAR
CNJ=WHM & BRD
THM= BLM & DRK
ARC = RNG
PUG = MNK




Lets not put words in my mouth, the game has a support class. Its THM with the recent nerfs to put CNJ in front runner on healing.

Bards do use a range weapon no argument there.

Do I feel like we have to many DD? Not at all.

I just don't feel like everything is black and white, and I know there are people out there that like the role of a range heavy DD without having to do buffs.

bards do use ranged weapons in FF they use harps that fire notes

as for your idea of gving DoM two jobs. i bet this was looked into. and then decided it would be unfair to give any class two jobs when all other only get one. best to piss off one group of ppl, archers. than all the DoW class

[Coglin]

bards do use ranged weapons in FF they use harps that fire notes

as for your idea of gving DoM two jobs. i bet this was looked into. and then decided it would be unfair to give any class two jobs when all other only get one. best to piss off one group of ppl, archers. than all the DoW class

See this ^^ makes sense, has logic, and applies to the rules of how this will work, set by the devs.

If you really want to know, CNJ would have never had nukes those would have went to THM from the get go to start out. Then it would have followed this.

GLD=PLD
MRD=WAR
CNJ=WHM & BRD
THM= BLM & DRK
ARC = RNG
PUG = MNK




Lets not put words in my mouth, the game has a support class. Its THM with the recent nerfs to put CNJ in front runner on healing.

Bards do use a range weapon no argument there.

Do I feel like we have to many DD? Not at all.

I just don't feel like everything is black and white, and I know there are people out there that like the role of a range heavy DD without having to do buffs. (good lord this is getting old telling you this but they have these, they are called BLM and ARC)

This ^^ is pretend fantansy that changes the rules to fit there needs. One job per class for the first round. It not that complicated.

Archers job in the first round of jobs will be Bard. Its rather comical how you post so much fiction with so much intent as if in some warped way you expect to magically and unrealistically change the facts.

[JudgeN]

See this ^^ makes sense, has logic, and applies to the rules of how this will work, set by the devs.



This ^^ is pretend fantansy that changes the rules to fit there needs. One job per class for the first round. It not that complicated.

Archers job in the first round of jobs will be Bard. Its rather comical how you post so much fiction with so much intent as if in some warped way you expect to magically and unrealistically change the facts.

Ok we are going to just disagree then, your "LOL YOU MAD BRO" posts are just going around in circles. Yes the developers said this is how it will be so they are correct, gamers aren't allowed to disagree. My bad didn't realize that was how it worked.

[Scherwiz]

See this ^^ makes sense, has logic, and applies to the rules of how this will work, set by the devs.



This ^^ is pretend fantansy that changes the rules to fit there needs. One job per class for the first round. It not that complicated.

Archers job in the first round of jobs will be Bard. Its rather comical how you post so much fiction with so much intent as if in some warped way you expect to magically and unrealistically change the facts.

Why do you insist on going in circles? It all comes down to ARC not getting (As far as we know) a job that lines up exactly with its class. Like Conjurer getting Thief, or Gladiator getting Time Mage etc etc... There are too many what ifs too many variables. I am perfectly happy with whatever the dev team decides as long as the job is engaging and fun to play. Now thats not to say I don't believe ARC should of been nerfed just to make BRD its job, the classes should not be ignored inspite of the jobs, the jobs themselves being "Enhanced" versions or not.

Infact, I would say this very argument makes the case to make the classes also stand out, possibly even with their own gear and such, but thats just how I feel.

[Lavani]

Why do you insist on going in circles? It all comes down to ARC not getting (As far as we know) a job that lines up exactly with its class. Like Conjurer getting Thief, or Gladiator getting Time Mage etc etc... There are too many what ifs too many variables. I am perfectly happy with whatever the dev team decides as long as the job is engaging and fun to play. Now thats not to say I don't believe ARC should of been nerfed just to make BRD its job, the classes should not be ignored inspite of the jobs, the jobs themselves being "Enhanced" versions or not.

Infact, I would say this very argument makes the case to make the classes also stand out, possibly even with their own gear and such, but thats just how I feel.

This is what I, and a lot of people have been trying to say. A lot of people justified the ARC nerf because it was "getting the BRD job" or because "it was OP for so long". Why not nerf ARC down to an EQUAL level with the other DD's, and when the BRD class is equiped just simply scale down the damage output. This way people that want to play buffer can do less damage while enhancing everyone else, and people that want to be pure ranged physical DPS can do so, while enjoying the same damage output as the rest of the DPS.