A detailed Reaction to Warrior in SB

[Shinkyo]

Wait you weren't joking?

which part you interpreted as a joke exactly?

[Umbeliel]

Swiggity Swag What's In The Bag

[konpachizaraki]

which part you interpreted as a joke exactly?

the "we have a pretty healthy tank balance at the moment" part obviously
as long as PLD has guaranteed spot(which they are i don't know why the F anyone in their right mind won't bring a PLD in their party) it's not a "healthy balance"
it's 3.x all over again

[Shinkyo]

it's 3.x all over again

It's not.
3.x had a clear undesired tank that did not mesh well with the content at all.
That is not the case now.

PLD is slightly better but you are not gimping yourself by not bringing one.
All tanks are efficient at clearing the content with only a slight edge to PLD. And in that sense, it is balanced enough. Not perfect, but way better than 3.x.

[ovIm]

It's not.
All tanks are efficient at clearing the content with only a slight edge to PLD. And in that sense, it is balanced enough.

I respectfully disagree here. All 3 tanks perform rather similar in terms of DPS and mitigation (although DRK needs some serious love in that regard so the class is not as dependant on TBN), but only PLD has access to raidwide mitigation tools. This fact alone means that there is, objectively, no reason not to bring a PLD, and that why I say it is not balanced at all. Sure you can clear content with DRK/WAR, but that puts more strain on the healers.

[Shinkyo]

Snip

PLD is better, I'm not denying that fact, but it's not to the point where they totally eclipse the other tanks. They do have a guaranteed slot in a raid group but that's more based on their perceived value rather than their actual performance, meaning that it's great to know you have those party mitigation tools available but in reality you don't use them that much.
Swap a PLD for another tank and it isn't gonna make that much of a difference to competent healers. The main noticeable downside to not having a PLD is gonna be Hallowed Ground really.


Currently, DRK is in the worst spot out of the 3 tanks yet there are still plenty of people who raid with them and within very comparable performances.
While not perfect, it's within reasonable variance where none of them is a big outlier like in 3.x.

[konpachizaraki]

It's not.
3.x had a clear undesired tank that did not mesh well with the content at all.
That is not the case now.
PLD is slightly better but you are not gimping yourself by not bringing one.
All tanks are efficient at clearing the content with only a slight edge to PLD. And in that sense, it is balanced enough. Not perfect, but way better than 3.x.

PLD isn't "slightly better" than the other 2 tanks they deal as much damage(and sometime even more) than a warrior with better party utility, and they beat dark knight in both dps and utility
it will only only be balanced once a party can perform equally good without needing to choose a specific tanks, which isn't the case at the moment because a party that has a PLD as 1 of the 2 tanks is almost guaranteed to be better than a party that doesn't have them(in situation where both party are equally skilled btw)