Dragoon Poll (Should DRG have a Wyvern?)

[Andrien]

Oh yeahNO. Her classes can be Commando, Sentinel (her optimal), Ravanger and forgot the last. Just because she uses a lance does not make her a dragoon, and her dragoon-like-abilities are not sufficient. By your logic a warrior with a lance with dragoon sub is a dragoon because he is using a lance/spear and using abilities like jump.

And oh my, did you just compare Fang to Kaim? You seem to repeat your mistake once more only that this time you took a misstep and fell down a staircase. You realize that Kaim has a spear as main weapon, complete set of Dragoon AF gear, the entire arsenal of dragoon abilities, gear AND is the commander of of the Baron Dragoons. That's a hell of a lot more than what I can say of Fang.

Again, tell me how she is supposed to be relevant to this discussion. Your sense of imagination intrigues me.

Are you trying to insult me by changing the topic?
As posted in http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dragoon
Final Fantasy XIII does not have a Job system, however Oerba Yun Fang uses several trademark Dragoon spears, can summon Bahamut as her Eidolon, and her full ATB skill "Highwind" allows her to perform a powerful Jump attack. An enemy named PSICOM Dragoon appears, but is more based on the historical infantry unit the Job Class is named for rather than the Job itself.

I'm actually surprised you acknowledge Kain for a Dragoon.

[Velhart]

Oh yeahNO. Her classes can be Commando, Sentinel (her optimal), Ravanger and forgot the last. Just because she uses a lance does not make her a dragoon, and her dragoon-like-abilities are not sufficient. By your logic a warrior with a lance with dragoon sub is a dragoon because he is using a lance/spear and using abilities like jump.

And oh my, did you just compare Fang to Kaim? You seem to repeat your mistake once more only that this time you took a misstep and fell down a staircase. You realize that Kaim has a spear as main weapon, complete set of Dragoon AF gear, the entire arsenal of dragoon abilities, gear AND is the commander of of the Baron Dragoons. That's a hell of a lot more than what I can say of Fang.

Again, tell me how she is supposed to be relevant to this discussion. Your sense of imagination intrigues me.

Thing is, beyond FF6 with the exception of FFXI has not made a clear distinction of what job a certain person is. While it is fairly obvious which job they derive from, they don't distinguish like they use to.

Would I consider Fang a Dragoon job? Yes, because a lot refer to it. Like I would consider Lightning a classic warrior style, Snow a Monk, Vanille a White Mage, and so on. Though they don't distinguish it anymore, it is pretty much obvious.

[grandm]

this argument of a wyvern being a companion that the beastmaster can't suply, is a little rubbish, your chocobo is the faithful companion you are describing. your chocobo will have a much bigger role than just transport in the future. and whats more every1 can access it. its not just locked to one job

this was not a troll

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/2011/10...-is-out-there/

Gamer Escape: With these pets and summons.. and I believe with Chocobos it was mentioned there would be some type of growth or a way to level them up. Would this be a long term thing where the pet would gradually level over time or a short term thing where the stats of the pet would reset each time you call it?

Yoshida: Actually it was kind of all put into one thing on that document but there are three different ways to think about this. There’s a buddy system for a companion and then you have a pet system and then the summons. The beast pet would be kind of like in FFXI, where you tame it, use it and then it’s done. So there is no growth with the pet. With Summoner, what we’re thinking of is maybe when you summon for example like Carbuncle… that’s not saying that Carbuncle is coming. It’s just an example! But when you summon it at maybe level 20 there will be certain abilities that it can use and then when the Summoner is level 50, that list will be extended with level 50 abilities. Carbuncle won’t change, it will just be the abilities that it can use. Then you get the buddy system which will be with your Chocobo and your Chocobo will be yours forever. It will have a level and it will power up and grow as you feed it and use it. So yeah there are those three systems. So the confusion there where pets can level up, that’s currently not the case. They’re just a one time thing. It’s Chocobos that will have the levels.

[Cendres]

Is there an I don't mind either way option?

But my own opinion is that I always thought it was weird that FFXI's dragoon had a wyvern when you're job is to exterminate dragons and dragon kind... So I guess I lean towards the no wyvern, as cute as it was and would be in this game.

[MartaDemireux]

The thing I like about FF is that they always bring familiar concepts back into play but with noticeable differences. The iconic moves of each iteration of Dragoon are as follows:

FFII: Non-playable, fought with dragons and used as mounts.
FFIII: Jump, elemental based polearms
FFIV: Jump, Double Jump, elemental based polearms
FFV: Jump, absorb HP/MP (Lancet)
FFVII: Jump attacks, absorb HP/MP (Lancet), summons a dragon to do damage
FFVIII: Jump, harpoon weapon type
FFIX: Jump, wide array of moves under Dragon command ranging from damage to healing
FFX: Jump, Lancet
FFXI: Jump attacks, pet wyvern, ability that gives party increased damage against dragons
FFXII-RW: Jump, Lancet, winged
FFXIII: Highwind - a jump attack, eidolon is Bahamut
FF Type-0: Jump
FFTactics: Can ignore elevation
FFT Advance: Jump, Lancet, Breath attacks
FFTA2: Jump, Lancet, Breath attacks

There are a few games I left out simply because this list is long enough. Things that resound: Jump, Lancet, Elemental Attacks, Increased damage to dragons, Uses a polearm/lance/harpoon. Many feature unique abilities but those unique abilities don't make a reappearance as a general rule of thumb. The pet wyvern happened in FFXI, I'd say we moved on from that now.

Maybe they should have Dragoon unlocked by 30LNC/15CNJ so they can receive elemental breath attacks or imbue their weapons with an element.

[Velhart]

The thing I like about FF is that they always bring familiar concepts back into play but with noticeable differences. The iconic moves of each iteration of Dragoon are as follows:

FFII: Non-playable, fought with dragons and used as mounts.
FFIII: Jump, elemental based polearms
FFIV: Jump, Double Jump, elemental based polearms
FFV: Jump, absorb HP/MP (Lancet)
FFVII: Jump attacks, absorb HP/MP (Lancet), summons a dragon to do damage
FFVIII: Jump, harpoon weapon type
FFIX: Jump, wide array of moves under Dragon command ranging from damage to healing
FFX: Jump, Lancet
FFXI: Jump attacks, pet wyvern, ability that gives party increased damage against dragons
FFXII-RW: Jump, Lancet, winged
FFXIII: Highwind - a jump attack, eidolon is Bahamut
FF Type-0: Jump
FFTactics: Can ignore elevation
FFT Advance: Jump, Lancet, Breath attacks
FFTA2: Jump, Lancet, Breath attacks

There are a few games I left out simply because this list is long enough. Things that resound: Jump, Lancet, Elemental Attacks, Increased damage to dragons, Uses a polearm/lance/harpoon. Many feature unique abilities but those unique abilities don't make a reappearance as a general rule of thumb. The pet wyvern happened in FFXI, I'd say we moved on from that now.

Maybe they should have Dragoon unlocked by 30LNC/15CNJ so they can receive elemental breath attacks or imbue their weapons with an element.

Ricard was a playable character in Final Fantasy II. oo;

[MartaDemireux]

Ricard was a playable character in Final Fantasy II. oo;

True... but for like what 10min? xD Edit: And with no Dragoon abilities, just the title. They even cut him out of the book entirely lol.

[Zanfire]

...What?

She didn't have "the Dragoon identity"? Uh, yeah she did. The Dragoon identity is Jumps, damage and a spear. NOT Wyverns.

Which while we're on the subject, let's just get down to the brass tacks of it. Most of you people arguing in favor of Wyverns want them because specifically they were in FFXI, is that it? You do know that FFXI (and FFII) are the exceptions and not the norm, right? Dragoons have become synonymous with the Jump ability specifically, not having a pet. Not to bring this up yet again, but as many people have already said the most iconic Dragoon character in the series (Kain Highwind) didn't have a pet. Neither did Cid in FFVII. Or Freya in FFIX. Or Fang in FFXIII. Or Kimahri in FFX. Or Lancers in FFT.

You know what they all did have? Jump.

well your stuff is kind of off. Cid in 7 could summon a dragon for an attack....called dragon (limitbreak) and Kain used swords. People need to stop trying to make the old games "dragoons" (which half of them didnt follow the lore of a dragoon anyways) as their argument as to why DRG in this game cant have a pet. They can do w/e the hell they want. And again, love how most of these anti-wyvern crazed people havent even touched LNC yet...its kind of funny. Its like being mad about the burgers taste when your only getting a salad XD

[NadienKirisame]

well your stuff is kind of off. Cid in 7 could summon a dragon for an attack....called dragon (limitbreak) and Kain used swords. People need to stop trying to make the old games "dragoons" (which half of them didnt follow the lore of a dragoon anyways) as their argument as to why DRG in this game cant have a pet. They can do w/e the hell they want. And again, love how most of these anti-wyvern crazed people havent even touched LNC yet...its kind of funny. Its like being mad about the burgers taste when your only getting a salad XD

I don't think it matters if they have lvled LNC or not really... I myself have yet to get to it though all through alpha and beta and before I decided to switch servers I played LNC. I will say this I love the job DRG I always have though its right up there with WHM for me :P

Anyways that is besides the point what I mean is I don't that them not having LNC lessens those against having a pet anymore then those for it that have LNC lvled. Now do I think DRG needs to have a wyvern eh not really. I did have a lot of fun with my wyvern in FFXI I just don't think it needs to be in here and really I would like for these DRG to be more like the FFT DRG. Though I do understand you humans need something to go on and on about and bicker back and forth like children and such picking at each other and so forth... so I am more then certain my whole post here is really pointless then again most of the posts of people on these threads are just that... pointless...

As always watching you people the cat is amused... =^.^=

P.S. I like cheesecake it is the best =+.+=

[Kailea_Nagisa]

well your stuff is kind of off. Cid in 7 could summon a dragon for an attack....called dragon (limitbreak) and Kain used swords. People need to stop trying to make the old games "dragoons" (which half of them didnt follow the lore of a dragoon anyways) as their argument as to why DRG in this game cant have a pet. They can do w/e the hell they want. And again, love how most of these anti-wyvern crazed people havent even touched LNC yet...its kind of funny. Its like being mad about the burgers taste when your only getting a salad XD

Kain "could" use swords in FFIV, but he mainly used Polearms, and his jump attack got a damage mod when he had spears equipped. and yes many of the old Dragoons did follow the lore, what are you talking about. Your "have not touched Lancer" argument is flawed as well, like I stated before, I have not leveled Lancer yet, because I am working on my support classes at the moment, and would like to save my favorite class (and after that job) for "last"