What's with all these people single-targetting during big pulls in dungeons?

[Altena]

The following is based upon my personal experience & observation as a Dragoon main.

I use AoEs whenever I can. That being said, if there's still a crowd of enemies up, I will switch back to single target when I'm very low on TP & I've already used Invigorate, Dragonfire Dive and Geirskogal (aka Shooty Dragon) are also on cooldown.

Yep well I mean you have to make do when you're bottomed out on TP. Switching to single target when you're bottomed out is the only real thing to do but the thing about that is - you shouldn't be..
In DR:ex runs where both of us are using AoE, stuff should honestly be dying before it gets to that point. The only real time you're bottomed out is when the other DPS is doing single target.

The number of times I've seen Bards use Paeon since Stormblood's launch is 0. Hell, they rarely play songs, so I guess at least they're keeping that stereotype alive, I guess.

This is because BRD has changed, and Paeon isn't the Paeon you remember.. It is more of a "stance" now, and effects skillspeed based on procs/stacks.

However they have "Tactician" as a role skill now that is basically an old Paeon that doesn't require MP to use, and also lowers the caster's enmity.

My post isn't specific just to this topic, nor do I personally agree with some peoples choice of play style. My point is, no amount of complaining/discussion about people's play-style is going to change things. I've been in many horrible DF groups, as many of you have, and the reality is they will keep occurring from time to time. You just deal with it and move on, or make a PF group with friends.

You're more than welcome to move right along, but it has improved the knowledge of one reader at least. That to me is a success.
Of course no one will ever improve the entire community's skill level or playstyle. However encouraging good play will at least change the minds of some, and some is better than staying silent and cowering in a corner.

People don't improve if everyone that has something to say stays quiet.

My goal isn't to go on some crazy overhaul and change the opinions of the entire community. My goal is to try and encourage a few people to play a little better.

[AdamFyi]

These types of enemies are really few and far.

Exactly! I'm just pointing out that there are exceptions, but it's very rarely the case anyway.

[hynaku]

I know my smn sure doesn't have many attacks that hit more than one monster at a time and that can keep on using that doesn't have cd to them.

[Kacho_Nacho]

I know my smn sure doesn't have many attacks that hit more than one monster at a time and that can keep on using that doesn't have cd to them.

Looking at what you have at your disposal, I don't know whether to be jealous of, or to feel sorry for, you summoners. Holy crow! So many freaking abilities...

[LunaFaye]

On that note, why do some RDM's not use Enchanted Moulinet and instead focus on trying to use VerHoly/Flare after Scatter spamming?

I find quite often RDM's that can't find any of their aoe skills, or don't ever use the melee abilities (single/aoe), any elemental skills, hell if I find one that actually deals some damage, I am happy for that day. You would think, that people can't screw up playing RDM, but yes they can. That's also why they can't use or find Enchanted Moulinet and sadly it's the new trend.

[LalaRu]

Lalaru, I'm curious. Are you okay with letting people target mobs however they want or are you going to ask people to AoE when you do large pulls? Because, what's the harm is asking?

Well, as long as I am in a PUG, I know I need to deal with whatever comes. Apart the regen thing of the OP, I usually start duty with a "mid" sized pull, I mean, something that can be aoe'd but even if single target'd, the healer is fine anyway, and then will take measure of what the group is capable of, looking at how that pull is killed.

If everything melts instantly, it is a green flag for max possible pulls and the opposite, as mobs dying slower than Violetta, means single pulls.

[Jim_Berry]

Might be stupid but I've always been told that it was more efficient to burn one mob at a time rather than using the AoEs that are pretty weak in this game so I'm confused ^^"

Let's pretend 1 potency = 1 damage. If there are 10 mobs, 360 potency on one mob is 360 damage while 200 potency hitting 10 mobs is 2000 damage. Big difference. Even though it is spread between tons of targets they will all die at the same time way faster than if you single target. If you single target you would smooth the amount of damage out in the long run but the mobs live longer so they get to attack more than if you just aoed them down quickly.

Usually you want to burst everything down before the tank runs out of defensive cooldowns.

I'll have to find the source, but there were people who tested it with a NIN and MNK in party with 3 mobs. They killed the mobs faster with single target mostly than they did AoE. The only AoE I remember seeing was NIN's Doton. This was before Stormblood, though.

I find quite often RDM's that can't find any of their aoe skills, or don't ever use the melee abilities (single/aoe), any elemental skills, hell if I find one that actually deals some damage, I am happy for that day. You would think, that people can't screw up playing RDM, but yes they can. That's also why they can't use or find Enchanted Moulinet and sadly it's the new trend.

What's funny is, when I use Enchanted Moulinet on three or more mobs, I had people say bad things. I ignored them.

The following is based upon my personal experience & observation as a Dragoon main.

I use AoEs whenever I can. That being said, if there's still a crowd of enemies up, I will switch back to single target when I'm very low on TP & I've already used Invigorate, Dragonfire Dive and Geirskogal (aka Shooty Dragon) are also on cooldown.

Kinda sucky when your co-DPS partner is a melee DPS and does not have Goad slotted.

[SicariusSeven]

I do the AOE skills but if I'm low on TP and I just used my invigorate on a previous pull, then I do single target stuff. Though the nice thing about SAM is I can do some single target attacks and build up to my AOE skills. Same with MNK!

[SuperZay]

If you run out of TP with Invigorate then second dps is bad and/or tank and healer don't AOE attack.

And it's not only about dps players.

I did over 2000 Mentor roulettes, and 90% of paladins, even lv70 ones, have no idea they have an awesome new AOE skill, because it was ninja added at lv46 and it's not on their hotbar. So they will have full TP the whole dungeon untill you mention it.

Two new jobs almost never use limit breaks, because, once again, it's not on their hotbar, but there's useless auto-attack button by default for some reason. You would think that RDM will want to kill these 6-8 mobs faster with limit break? Nope, better spam single-target Jolt on them, what's Scatter, there was no use for it in PotD.

[technole]

I hated when leveling up both MCH/BRD after burning TP/MP regen skills that i'd be still running low on TP because the other red DPS is just plain bad. I can surely handle my end of the bargain.


Most of the time I had to haggle melee to give me goad, if they even slotted it. The ones who gave it to me without a word always got my comm, and they usually put up decent damage. So it goes hand-in-hand that players who know their skill set generally try pretty hard compared to some lazy player that only knows how to hit 3 buttons and doesn't care about their cross-roles to help other players.

I also ran into a low-class PLD that didn't know the level 46 skill, told em about it so they can keep damage and aggro on AoE packs because i kept pulling aggro using my Bard AoEs, and then tried to tell me I should be single targeting everything. I was like you should be listening to a player who has every tank at 60+ and actually tanked everything in the game up to SB. I got this dungeon in-prog as DPS, and now i know why, but I decided to leave. No penalty for leaving in-prog instances.

Doing really good damage in this game can be toxic. It's sad.