What's with all these people single-targetting during big pulls in dungeons?

[Altena]

Ahh! your goal is informing and influencing, Good luck!
Big pulls and AOE are awesome for people who wanna get their runs done and have the gear and skills to support it. Not so much for newbies and people who are behind on their gear.
Forcing new people or .. stubborn.. people into it isn't usually going to work though, I highly commend you for putting your suggestions politely though, it's a courtesy most don't extend.

Yep, 3rd post down in this thread highlight my intentions.
Forums are for discussion more than anything else.

I won't deny that many people are stubborn in their views, and those people aren't really the target here. Educating new people is something that can be done, and/or educating people who are just unaware that AoE is more efficient on multiple targets.

For the most part, your level on these roulettes (which I'm assuming it's the 50/60 duty roulette) really matters in terms of why players probably aren't doing AoE. In fact, at higher levels, this is probably a side effect of players who either use the level skip to get with their friends at level 60 or players who have never played a dps job prior to Stormblood suddenly hopping over to SAM or RDM. Any earlier than level 50 and you potentially could get someone who is extremely new to RPGs and might not even realize they have Role actions such as Goad and Invigorate which supplement AoE.

I am talking about DR:Expert dungeons specifically. I personally don't bother with the other DR's very often unless I am levelling, which I only do if I have excess time.
I generally don't expect pre-70 dungeons to be mass pulled because often times the tank is just not confident. Which is fine, I don't really care.. My point is when there are tanks that are pulling big groups, but the other DPS is still single-targeting.

Well the two DPS in these runs weren't RDM or SAM. They were actually MNK and NIN. This happened in HW and ARR too, but I was just a bit shocked when it happened twice in a row in a DR:Ex.

Totally fine with new players just not understanding stuff, or even people that have been playing for a while. That's why I am a mentor and am happy to give people tips if they are willing to hear them.

[akaneakki]

Or maybe they didn't want big pulls. Lots of dps won't complain when tanks pull 10 mobs but still kill one at a time. This is the same conversation, just phrased different.

This is like the new meme right now. Seriously. So they don't want big pulls, so it gives them the right to play the class wrong? Or in fact it's easier to kill stuff when they all gathered and all you do is either spam 1 or 2 buttons with some buffs on. Like altena said, why would a DPS have issues with being in an effcient party? I honestly can't believe what you just said. Your JOB as DPS is to kill things, believe it. Big or small pulls doesn't matter.

[Moonlite]

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Funny, on a couple things. The idea that community can truly dictate the norm. Holy spam you are missed. Two that this is the norm. As someone else posted their is enough complaining and even evidence from you. That what you declare the norm might not be in line with as many people as you think. Your a 100% right I can make a PF group and have the ability to enjoy playing with non random scrubs. Low dps, healers on follow, and tanks that think having more dps and barely holding hate. The only thing you really/sort of have to pug is 24 mans. They were even nice enough to take pugs out of leveling roulette.

I don't care what players do. But just as you push in one direction someone pushes the other.

Your JOB as DPS is to kill things, believe it. Big or small pulls doesn't matter.

Did the mobs not die? I think the complaint was their run was probably 5 miss longer because the dps didn't aoe and lost a little dps. Again I have been very clear. You pick the random party option you should expect the bare min of players. That is why expectations are set so low by design. If dungeons were actually hard and I mean hard like everyone has to be optimal 99% of the time or you can even wipe on trash. How many people would use the duty finder?

[akaneakki]

Did the mobs not die? I think the complaint was their run was probably 5 miss longer because the dps didn't aoe and lost a little dps.

You are right, I don't expect the best of players when I go in there by myself, not at all. I just find it silly people can't use AoE when they have it. And yes I don't know if they die or not, but in many cases where dps doesn't AoE and the tank pulls alot when even the healer ask for it, they don't die fast enough and then all cds are burned and MP is downed because they either heal too much or whatever the sitution can be.
Again however, if your job is a dps, you should know that AoE does more than single target by far. There are many times for example boss fights goes slow but the dmg on adds is far faster and it can be the opposite sometimes. I'm aware some people want some slower dungeons, but I think majority is sick of doing the same place over and over again, so doign it slow isn't excactly something that most people want to do.

[Altena]

Funny, on a couple things. The idea that community can truly dictate the norm. Holy spam you are missed. Two that this is the norm. As someone else posted their is enough complaining and even evidence from you. That what you declare the norm might not be in line with as many people as you think. Your a 100% right I can make a PF group and have the ability to enjoy playing with non random scrubs. Low dps, healers on follow, and tanks that think having more dps and barely holding hate. The only thing you really/sort of have to pug is 24 mans. They were even nice enough to take pugs out of leveling roulette.

I don't care what players do. But just as you push in one direction someone pushes the other.

Err they absolutely do....

The norm is group pulls..
If a DPS is still single targetting when a tank has 10+ mobs whaling on them, they are flat out under-performing. Your job as a DPS is to kill things as fast as you can.
If a DPS doesn't want to do as much damage as they possibly can, then they should play a Tank or something.
And if as a tank, these players want to do single-group pulls, they can - however be mindful that some DPS players may end up pulling for you. Why? Because it's the norm to pull big.
Then you will be stubborn and let them die. Then you will get in an argument, resulting in one of you getting booted..

I will mention, that I would not be one of those DPS that pull more mobs than the tank can handle..
However if you're playing a DPS, and your tank pulls a large group, then damn right you should be using AoE skills.

Holy spam you are missed?
Holy spam is still a thing. They nerfed it a bit, sure - but it still stuns, and it's still quite strong. Good WHMs still spam holy.... Just as good ASTs spam Gravity. Just as good SCHs use Bane.
Why? Because they are using AOE skills on large groups!
Go figure.

Finally... A12S... When the group of 8x adds pop after the first phase.. Do you single target or do you AoE?
I mean the game is popping all 8 adds at the same time.. Are you going to be that bad DPS that makes the other 3 do all the work, just because you don't want to use AoE?

AoE skills are there for a reason. If there are more than 4 mobs, then use them.

Did the mobs not die? I think the complaint was their run was probably 5 miss longer because the dps didn't aoe and lost a little dps. Again I have been very clear. You pick the random party option you should expect the bare min of players. That is why expectations are set so low by design. If dungeons were actually hard and I mean hard like everyone has to be optimal 99% of the time or you can even wipe on trash. How many people would use the duty finder?

Do you know why they died?
Because the other DPS was using AoE skills.

5 mins? Try 15 mins..
Single group pulls make a 15 min dungeon into a 30 min dungeon.

"A little DPS" is flat out wrong.
Here's the basic math for you... For argument's sake I will use SAM and I will even be kind to you and not take Iaijutsu into consideration.

3-GCDs starting from the tier 1 combo, when there are 4 mobs -

Hakaze > Jinpu > Gekko
Single target = 150 + 280 + 400 = 830 potency.

Fuga > Mangetsu > Fuga
Aoe 4 mobs = (100*4) + 200 + (200*0.95) + (200*0.9) + (200*0.85) + (100*4)
= 400 + 200 + 190 + 180 + 170 + 400
= 1540

10 mobs? Well ... lol...
(100*10) + 200 + (200*0.95) + (200*0.9) + (200*0.85) + (200*0.8) + (200*0.7) + (200*0.6) + 3*(200*0.5) + (100*10)
= 1000 + 200 + 190 + 180 + 170 + 160 + 140 + 120 + 300 + 1000
= 3460

Sooooo basically someone who is single targetting on groups of 10x versus one who is using AoE is doing 4x less damage than the AoE..
Yeah sorry but you're getting carried.

I am sorry to say but really, using AoE skills on large groups is not going above and beyond your means or playing exceptionally well.. It's playing to a basic level.
Every level 70 player should understand that AoE skills are there, and that they should be used.

[Snow_Princess]

I complained about people not using AoE before because it made runs hard on me, esp when the single target people are pulling hate off the tank because of it. Once I even got kicked because the blm would take hate off the tank doing single target DPS and stressing the crap out of me.

Here is the answers I got:
BLM is doing fine
MNk uses too much tp to AoE and is never worth it.
DRG uses too much tp to AoE and is never worth it.
I will not have someone without MNK unlocked telling me how to play (When I asked to AoE and DPS was low from it)
No one told me before my dps was low so it is fine

[Mirch]

crying in forums in 2017, tell em ingame how they should do for an optimal clear of an istanced duty

[AdamFyi]

Honestly, there are a bunch of forced multi enemy encounters in dungeons that practically scream that they want you to AoE them i.e. Doma Castle's inner castle area with all those ninjas and Castrum Abania's bridge with all those trams. In these scenarios, as a tank and healer, I get annoyed when there's no Aoe going out from either one or both of the DD players - these mobs hit very hard. Prolonging the fight isn't going to help.

[LalaRu]

Not an issue here, if I see I got a single-mob killing PUG, will pull just single groups.

[Celef]

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Might be stupid but I've always been told that it was more efficient to burn one mob at a time rather than using the AoEs that are pretty weak in this game so I'm confused ^^"