What's with all these people single-targetting during big pulls in dungeons?

[Selova]

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This is so wrong that it hurts to read. It's obvious that you don't know how potencies work for big aoe pulls. While they aren't as strong as BLM and SMN, both monk and dragoon aoe are incredibly strong if you know what you're doing, ie. maintaining the buff from TS during rockbreaker spam, EF on cooldown, keeping your HT buff up on dragoon and positioning yourself for GS's and ST spam. If your playing monk and dragoon and your tank pulls 2-3 packs of mobs and you are cycling through 1 mob at a time only doing ST you are a hindrance to your group and will be vote kicked. End of story.

[Ayer2015]

Expecting people to play the way YOU want is just naive. How many forum threads about this general subject matter do we need? Healers not DPSing, healers DPSing, tanks not using CDs, tank over-pulling or under-pulling, DPS under performing in any myriad of ways.... How can people be so dense as to think others will change what they are doing simply because you expect it.

[Altena]

Expecting people to play the way YOU want is just naive. How many forum threads about this general subject matter do we need? Healers not DPSing, healers DPSing, tanks not using CDs, tank over-pulling or under-pulling, DPS under performing in any myriad of ways.... How can people be so dense as to think others will change what they are doing simply because you expect it.

Because the enabling mentality of "let others play how they want" does more harm than good.
There are right and wrong ways to play.
There are also varying degrees of how well it's executed.

People aren't asking for amazing execution, just correct skill usage for the situation.
There is literally no argument for not utilizing all your available skills.
In situations where there are more than 4 mobs, there is literally no reason a player shouldn't be using AoE skills, aside from keeping buffs up.

Enabling players to "play how they want" only means 3 (or 7) other people are required to carry a good portion of that player's weight by making up the required difference.

Again, no one is asking for 95 percentile performance, but simply using AoE skills when the situation calls for it.

[LalaRu]

Because the enabling mentality of "let others play how they want" does more harm than good.

As if you can force others do what you want...

Your only options are leave or kick. A personal crusade to teach everyone how to "git gud" leads only to big headaches.

[Kacho_Nacho]

As if you can force others do what you want...

Your only options are leave or kick. A personal crusade to teach everyone how to "git gud" leads only to big headaches.

Again, no one is asking for 95 percentile performance, but simply using AoE skills when the situation calls for it.

Lalaru, I'm curious. Are you okay with letting people target mobs however they want or are you going to ask people to AoE when you do large pulls? Because, what's the harm is asking?

[Kacho_Nacho]

*snippity*
This is the exact purpose of this thread. Thanks for learning something
*Snip*

You are welcome!

You'll be pleased to know I used what I learned here on my rogue (Sandi Kandi of Coeurl) while running PotD. The difference from my past performance was AMAZING. Death Blossom doesn't have high potency at all but those mobs seemingly melted all at once. It was beautiful. I like this AoE stuff!

/thumbsup

[Noshpan]

The following is based upon my personal experience & observation as a Dragoon main.

I use AoEs whenever I can. That being said, if there's still a crowd of enemies up, I will switch back to single target when I'm very low on TP & I've already used Invigorate, Dragonfire Dive and Geirskogal (aka Shooty Dragon) are also on cooldown.

I can count on 1 hand the number of times that I've seen Goad used.

I can count on 1 hand the number of times I've had Goad used on me. So far I've never had a melee DPS Goad me. I'm convinced they don't carry it.

The number of times I've seen Bards use Paeon since Stormblood's launch is 0. Hell, they rarely play songs, so I guess at least they're keeping that stereotype alive, I guess.

I keep Goad for "just in case" even though I rarely get a chance to use it. The tanks that I've encountered rarely get below a quarter TP.

[Waliel]

I was hoping someone would note the "Flare" treatment a lot of aoes got. No issues using aoe skills on reasonable pulls, but when you pull half the dungeon, anything after #5 is getting half damage, and I'd call that pretty inefficient.

To clarify, do your big pulls, but keep them reasonable. At one point it's more of a disservice to the entire party than it is helpful, especially if the tank or healer can't keep up. I've had tanks nearly die in the span of an Aero 3 cast, and that's just not right.

It's always more efficient to pull more. Instead of killing two groups of 10 in 60 seconds each, you can just kill one group of 20 in 60-80 seconds (healer DPS and whatnot). And for the usual pulls, don't think "I'm doing only 50% damage to 6th and 7th mob," but "I'm doing ~71% to everything." Just target the highest health enemy. Only time more is bad is when the tank and healer can't handle it.

Anyways, those big mobs do not hit "slightly" harder compared to their peers, they hit considerably harder.

Now that I'm leveling my third healer in a row, the only ones I can think of that are a real problem are the bird you mentioned before the second boss in Bardam (mainly the dot), the magitek midway to first boss in Doma, and maybe the last guy in Sirensong, but only because the dogs hit as hard as him.

[Ayer2015]

Because the enabling mentality of "let others play how they want" does more harm than good.
There are right and wrong ways to play.
There are also varying degrees of how well it's executed.

People aren't asking for amazing execution, just correct skill usage for the situation.
There is literally no argument for not utilizing all your available skills.

My post isn't specific just to this topic, nor do I personally agree with some peoples choice of play style. My point is, no amount of complaining/discussion about people's play-style is going to change things. I've been in many horrible DF groups, as many of you have, and the reality is they will keep occurring from time to time. You just deal with it and move on, or make a PF group with friends.

[RiceisNice]

Now that I'm leveling my third healer in a row, the only ones I can think of that are a real problem are the bird you mentioned before the second boss in Bardam (mainly the dot), the magitek midway to first boss in Doma, and maybe the last guy in Sirensong, but only because the dogs hit as hard as him.

The mettling golems in Baradm also hurt for quite a bit on the tank with a mix of their straight punch and stone 2. On the other hand as people have mentioned, there's also the large pulls (specifically in Doma) that pretty much necessitate AoE since they will collectively hurt.

I was hoping someone would note the "Flare" treatment a lot of aoes got. No issues using aoe skills on reasonable pulls, but when you pull half the dungeon, anything after #5 is getting half damage, and I'd call that pretty inefficient.

It's not really that big of a inefficiency when you look at the actual numbers. Mangetsu/Oka is a 25% falloff at 5+, which is still 150 potency when most cleaves cap at 130, while casters in general do not having sustaining issues when it comes to their AoEs, and MCH/BRD being more plateau to their cooldowns. The primary problem comes with the tanks surviving the pull itself which is a different concern.